Another Upset Summoner

[Judge_Xero]

Promises something cool -> Delivers something possibly even more amazing -> still not satisfied.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Promises something cool -> Delivers something possibly even more amazing -> still not satisfied.

You're right it is definitely something amazing. However not everyone has to agree on that, just coz people find the new Dreadwyrm Trance/Bahamut Aether stacks amazing, doesn't mean others will. It's all about personal taste and people who would rather see this new system be channeled through an Egi are not wrong in that view point as Egi are part of a SMN's repertoire.

You could actually argue that calling it Dreadwyrm/Bahamut Trance is merely a gimmick, as all it is is just a name and therefore superficial. These new abilities could have been called anything, they still would have worked the same way. Don't get me wrong though, the fact it's related to Bahamaut is cool, but it doesn't really mean anything game play wise.

Trances for the other Primal's are also unlikely to happen for the reason that FFXIV does not have an elemental wheel. No point having a Trance for each Primal only to unleash the exact same attack with just a different visual effect. It's no different to the current Egi issue in that regard.

[Judge_Xero]

You're right it is definitely something amazing. However not everyone has to agree on that, just coz people find the new Dreadwyrm Trance/Bahamut Aether stacks amazing, doesn't mean others will. It's all about personal taste and people who would rather see this new system be channeled through an Egi are not wrong in that view point as Egi are part of a SMN's repertoire.

No, not everyone has agree on everything, but that will never happen regardless. Look at it this way though:
- Egi's getting new skills, already have Rouse/Spur, Enkindle. Each current Egi has a specific role. Tank, Melee/Single Target, Ranged/AOE.
- SMN has Dots, Aetherflow. (stemming off Arcanist)

Then you have a couple of different camps for what people wanted out of SMN
A More Focus of SMN being able to summon primals power
B Not wanting Egi's to have so much effect on SMN's performance
C Wanting the Egi's to seem more powerful.
D Not wanting SMN to be a poison dot class
E More variety of Egi's and Larger Size/More detail to make them appear more powerful
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So we get to keep the Base SMN playstyle that a lot of SMN like. As far as I can tell, SE has given players A, B, C, and E. Partially D by combining all 3 Dots into Tri-Disaster, and if they add a Egi Glamor system we could see more of E.

For B and C, you can picture the Bahamut system as a pseudo Egi that we channel power through, so it's still part of the SMNer and it's performance, but visibly you get a powerful Primal to command.

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Since no one can say yet how SMN will play it's hard to say how much SE has tried to please everyone who enjoys SMN. But by looking at the diversity of what people are looking for out of the class, I believe they have tried to touch on each aspect that makes up a SMN.

[SoloWingMetatron]

No, not everyone has agree on everything, but that will never happen regardless.

Oh I agree with you. I just thought your initial comment was based on the notion of Trances being the new thing and the Egi getting phased out, a notion which I find totally unfounded. I personally don't identify with any of the camps you describe. I am happy for whatever new abilities SMN may get, as long as they stay true to the job (which I believe Bahamut Trance does) then I'm happy. However for Trances to totally replace Egi is a bad idea and won't work on the whole, since it will be faced with the exact same issue of there being no elemental wheel. So that is why I doubt we will see any new trances beyond the Bahamut Trance. Not only that but to expect new Trance moves to be the SMN's staple in terms of new moves from this point on is ridiculous. What every new level cap all we can expect is SMN to get a new Trance that works exactly the same as the last forever more until the game ends and the servers close?....don't think so some how people. Egi will still be a thing.

[Judge_Xero]

Oh I agree with you. I just thought your initial comment was based on the notion of Trances being the new thing and the Egi getting phased out...

Ahh ok I see. Yeah, I don't think or hope that Egi's will ever get phased out. IMO the Trance is just SMN getting more fleshed out just like the rest of the jobs. MNK getting Meditate doesn't mean it will lose GL, it just gives a focused direction of development.

Because SCH and SMN stem off ACN I think it will take a long time before both those Jobs are fleshed out enough that people don't think of them as ACN with Heals, ACN with Fester. I don't think we'll see the Trance become the new SMN staple and have the Pets completely overshadowed as an afterthought. But I hope we see synergy developed between all SMN pets and skills.

i.e. Trance infused SMN, Trance infused Pets.
Example - hmmm Should I Ahk Morn this set of adds, or since Rouse/Spur/Enkindle is up should I put Garuda into Enrage Mode using my Trance stacks and just obliterate everything.
Or absorbing the pet/aether to get fully charged Trance

AOE Burst - Ahk Morn -> Absorb Pet -> SC Pet -> Rouse/Spur, Enrage using Trance - Enkindle

[SoloWingMetatron]

i.e. Trance infused SMN, Trance infused Pets.
Example - hmmm Should I Ahk Morn this set of adds, or since Rouse/Spur/Enkindle is up should I put Garuda into Enrage Mode using my Trance stacks and just obliterate everything.
Or absorbing the pet/aether to get fully charged Trance

AOE Burst - Ahk Morn -> Absorb Pet -> SC Pet -> Rouse/Spur, Enrage using Trance - Enkindle

I like the sounds of this as it ties the Egi in nicely with the Trance ability without phasing out the Egi, which totally makes sense to me. I am looking forward to SMN's lvl60 abilities and I am looking forward to the Egi glamour system, hopefully it will be released in one of the post HW patches rather than a future expansion.