HQ Camlet

[MN_14]

And then the masterbook 2 thugs will come and kick you while ur down. Prepare for total bs fest!

Well, the lucis tools should make those master book 2 turn-ins considerably easier. You'll want to boost craftsmanship to around 500 though.

[GenJoe]

And then the masterbook 2 thugs will come and kick you while ur down. Prepare for total bs fest!

Not really, it's pretty much in the same vein..
If you pull an average of 70% on lucis tokens, you'll be pulling an average of ~40% with 11 stack Good Byregot's landing you above 80% iirc..
But the thing with masterbook tokens is, you only need 3 hq out of a total of 8 (5nq for supra) so you really don't need that high of a % for it. Barring any horrible bad luck, worst I've lost was 5 nq on Weaver tokens, I did 4 without losing a single one and the other 3 I lost one or two attempts.. It's really not as bad as people make it out to be.

What it is, is that it's a very sudden change going from being able to hq 100% to now having a little less control over your fate, but you still have a lot of control over them.

[MN_14]

It's a lot easier if a lucis tool is used, which the OP now has. I've done some tests using my WVR lucis (501 craftsmanship and 436 control using both fc buffs).

Progress can be completed in 5 steps using 2xPbP, 2xRS, and 1 CS2, allowing for one extra touch attempt.

Most importantly, however, the tokens can be easily HQed without ever landing Byregot's on a good. During my test, I came up with 74% at IQ11 (10 successful touches only, no touches on any excellents or goods) with a gs, inn, and ingen2 buffed byregot's landing on normal. According to the simulator, I'd get 65% if I buffed byregot's with GS+Innovation, and only 33% with great strides alone. Buffing byregot's with both innovation and ingenuity 2 might be difficult, but innovation alone is almost always achievable.

In order to get 3 HQs, all you have to do is get IQ11 and buff Byregot's with GS+innovation for a guaranteed minimum of 65%. Then do that a few more times.

[moudoka]

I actually got my 2nd master book far easier than I did my Lucis tool. In far less time too. The intricate silver brocade was pretty daunting, but you had more to work with, at least that's kinda how I looked at it.

[Yumi_umi]

I actually got my 2nd master book far easier than I did my Lucis tool. In far less time too. The intricate silver brocade was pretty daunting, but you had more to work with, at least that's kinda how I looked at it.

Maybe all u need during ur hq camlets were some faith and trust in ur rotation lol
But thts good to hear cuz them masterbooks can get expensive if u keep blowing em up or nqing them q_q

[GenJoe]

It also helps to have enough gil around that you wouldn't care about losing a bit of money.. It's not like the 4 star recipes will be a great money maker for ya, just checking my retainer today, I sold 400 hq horn glues overnight (admittedly, that doesn't happen everyday) Since about a month ago, I've stopped selling any end-tier items on MB, there's just too many people there and I really don't want to babysit my retainers anymore.. So I just play middle man now, more time spent crafting, but less time spent checking prices.

I'd just suggest you build up a bankroll, it gives you such a peace of mind when you're not so worried about losing some gil and that in turn, makes crafting that much easier.

[Shadygrove]

445 craftsmanship and 398 control. It's 100% rng based, thus impossible to reliably craft worth a shit. I'm so sick of RNG in this game, it's infuritating to every single level of my being.

No it isn't 100% RNG based.

The better your stats the less reliance you have on RNG.

On GSM, my best equipped class, I have 447 craftsmanship, 416 control, 349 CPs. Supra, 1 meld on artisan's offhand, all the rest fully melded BiS.

Blow up matera, up them stats, things will improve.

[Aeyis]

Sure feels that way. I've crafted over a hundred of these camlets, and have only 100% ONE of them to HQ. Rest of the time it's been RNG whether it does or not. It's a level of frustration that paralleled my Zodiac dungeons. The RNG system is wholly broken, and set up for failure, unless you're a lucky one. That alone is extremely disappointing.

You dont need 100% to HQ. 50% or higher is a good ratio for something that you can basically make endlessly. The most expensive material is returned to you as you turn in the NQ item to the npc, after all; making it fairly cheap to produce the items needed.

Not really, it's pretty much in the same vein..
If you pull an average of 70% on lucis tokens, you'll be pulling an average of ~40% with 11 stack Good Byregot's landing you above 80% iirc..

The two dont compare well. Master II tokens are both far harder to HQ and a lot more expensive to craft.

Most importantly, however, the tokens can be easily HQed without ever landing ~~~~According to the simulator, I'd get 65% if I buffed byregot's with GS+Innovation, and only 33% with great strides alone. ~~

Simulators assume hasty touch and rapid synth have a 100% chance of success. In reality your overall chances will be lower due to those abilities failing.

[MN_14]

Simulators assume hasty touch and rapid synth have a 100% chance of success. In reality your overall chances will be lower due to those abilities failing.

I'm only stating that as long as you can get IQ11 and buff byregot's with gs and innovation, you'll have a good shot at an HQ even if landing byregot's on normal. The numbers I've posted refer to the final HQ% you get, not how often you'll HQ those items. Yes, RS and HT will fail, but with these stats, the only major difference between crafting a 4* item from zero quality and the master book ii tokens is that you'll require 2x PBP, which costs an extra 15 CP. It isn't difficult to routinely achieve IQ11 on a 4* item from zero quality, so you should be able to achieve that on those tokens fairly frequently.

[dspguy]

What GenJoe said.

If you are doing your master book with your Artisan tool, you could technically choose to finish synths @ 38% for the tokens. 8 synths with 38% HQ chance, odds are you'd wind up with 3 HQ (insert bad RNG comments and anecdotes here).

If you are still in crafting progression, it makes zero sense to do your lucis before the master II books. If only because you are losing out on the ability to absorb 5 NQs from "failures" while trying to get yoru HQs. Maybe the lucis will buy you one less progress step (maybe?), but the extra control? Not really going to help all that much for this. The extra control doesn't increase Hasty Touch success chance. And that's usually what it all boils down to. The quality increase per hit would help, but 10 IQ stacks with a lucis wouldn't be better than 11 IQ stacks without.