Let us report retainers who sell items from bots

[WellFooled]

but what about legit players wrongfuly being accused? there are 2 possible scenarios:

I don't mean to be curt, but those are not the only two possible scenarios. I would argue that neither of those situations are even very likely.

In your first scenario, why would a GM launch an extensive investigation if there are no cursory signs of illicit activity? If a player gets reported and after a brief look at their activities, nothing big stands out (no huge amount of gil or items trading hands, no crazy amounts of time logged doing a single thing, etc) I don't think they'd have any reason to delve any deeper.

And in your second scenario that policy would hurt their business and drive players away.

the task force would also have to investigate a lot of erroneous reports too

But I do understand this. If a GM has to investigate every single report, even if most of them only take a couple of minutes, it can add up quick. Though its impossible to be perfectly efficient with these sorts of jobs, other MMOs that I've played only have their GMs look into a player if a sufficient amount of complaints were filed, instead of having them investigate every single report. Which means whatever the player was doing had to be bad enough for multiple people to bother reporting them, which cuts out on a lot of the false alarms.

[tocsin]

GMs look into a player if a sufficient amount of complaints were filed, instead of having them investigate every single report.

We are talking about the marketplace. I undercut mastercraft demimateria once by 50k, and had 20 different people report me for cheating within a day. I had to show exactly how i craft, including pictures of my controller setup (I have a digital stopwatch attached to my controller to time my crafts), to prove my innocence.

In the FFXIV economy, collusion is rampant, and if one person doesn't like you, they can easily get gangs of people after you.

[WellFooled]

We are talking about the marketplace. I undercut mastercraft demimateria once by 50k, and had 20 different people report me for cheating within a day. I had to show exactly how i craft, including pictures of my controller setup (I have a digital stopwatch attached to my controller to time my crafts), to prove my innocence.

In the FFXIV economy, collusion is rampant, and if one person doesn't like you, they can easily get gangs of people after you.

I don't blame you for being skeptical of the idea after that sort of experience, it doesn't sound fun. I'm not arguing that its impossible for things to go wrong, but I'm still in agreement with the original poster's request and other similar quick-report features. I think if used right more help will come out of it than harm.

...and on a side note, curse you for undercutting! *shakes fist in the air* :P

[NorthernLadMSP]

We are talking about the marketplace. I undercut mastercraft demimateria once by 50k, and had 20 different people report me for cheating within a day. I had to show exactly how i craft, including pictures of my controller setup (I have a digital stopwatch attached to my controller to time my crafts), to prove my innocence.

In the FFXIV economy, collusion is rampant, and if one person doesn't like you, they can easily get gangs of people after you.

Sounds like your server is filled with childish drama queens.

[Vlady]

We are talking about the marketplace. I undercut mastercraft demimateria once by 50k, and had 20 different people report me for cheating within a day. I had to show exactly how i craft, including pictures of my controller setup (I have a digital stopwatch attached to my controller to time my crafts), to prove my innocence.

In the FFXIV economy, collusion is rampant, and if one person doesn't like you, they can easily get gangs of people after you.

Who did you have to show exactly how you craft too? If you felt you had to defend yourself against nay sayers then go tell them to pound sand. They have no power over whether or not how you played. If SE required screenshots I am dubious of your response. They have methods to determine if what you do is legit and would never ask for screenshots.

And unless you tell people how do they know who your retainer is?

[tocsin]

And unless you tell people how do they know who your retainer is?

Lets just say it wouldnt be the second or third time I have had to talk to a GM about my crafting. I play from work, so its really easy to see someone literally crafting 18 hours a day, and think that they are botting. especially since I craft with timers and dont look at the screen, so I miss chat message prompts.

I had actually made the unfortunate mistake of posting an item that was crafted by me, in my retainer. I have since begun deleting and renaming retainers on a weekly basis to prevent this from happening again, but the fact still remains that I cannot post any crafted equipment on that particular retainer, and that damages my bottom line.

This is also why I have been highly supportive of an optional removal of the crafters name from the bottom of equipment. it undermines our anonymity.

Sounds like your server is filled with childish drama queens.

Jenova is comprised of 90% PS3/PS4 players. Console gamers tend to have a lower median age than PC gamers do, so childish drama tends to be rampant, yes. Its mostly "Lazy millennials" though, so any crafted item that takes effort tends to have a pretty comfortable profit.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Jenova is comprised of 90% PS3/PS4 players. Console gamers tend to have a lower median age than PC gamers do, so childish drama tends to be rampant, yes. Its mostly "Lazy millennials" though, so any crafted item that takes effort tends to have a pretty comfortable profit.

I hate undercutting as much everyone else who opposes it, but I would never report someone for doing it - the fact that 20 people reported you is insane.