Let us report retainers who sell items from bots

[OMEGA_HACK]

Well I'm no programmer but I'd think it safe to say they don't have to set a bot to spam a bunch of reports back to back, they could set up intervals and with the complexity of programs today I'm sure they could make the times they report to appear to be random. Now you have 100 RMT character-bots doing this and you run into the same "appearance" as a bunch of legit players making reports. I don't think it would be hard for RMT who have proven to be quite resilient to find a work around and 'cloak' themselves amongst the players.

At least by forcing players to have to write a report it weeds out potential bots (because human writing is different that generic bot writing)

[Ceodore]

Well I'm no programmer but I'd think it safe to say they don't have to set a bot to spam a bunch of reports back to back, they could set up intervals and with the complexity of programs today I'm sure they could make the times they report to appear to be random. Now you have 100 RMT character-bots doing this and you run into the same "appearance" as a bunch of legit players making reports. I don't think it would be hard for RMT who have proven to be quite resilient to find a work around and 'cloak' themselves amongst the players.

At least by forcing players to have to write a report it weeds out potential bots (because human writing is different that generic bot writing)

And the person programing the bot couldn't come up with dozens or even hundreds of different paragraphs for reporting? It's all about the resolve of the person making the bot. ANY system can be abused. It's more a matter of what you can report that matters. Reporting retainers is ultimately more work than reporting players.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I agree reporting retainers is a silly notion.
But making it too simple to report a player is also a silly notion.

I know that anyone can create literally anything to try and counter systems in place but that step [the writing portion] makes it more hassle than what it is worth for RMT.
It also makes it where over zealous white-knight players do not mass report because the time it takes to write up a report on a player.

I like to consider it a soft filter for those "maybe / maybe not" cases that more than likely are not real illegal activities.

[luciferbelmont]

So we are starting to lynch mob "bots" now i see. If you guys wanna feel superior about yourselves how about doing something productive in the real world.

[Galdous]

Make it harder to report cheating? I think I've heard it all now. I don't mind you playing devils advocate but from responses I see you post on other subjects I think you are Jjust bored. You have yet to produce any credible counter argument so I think his debate is not really going anywhere.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Make it harder to report cheating? I think I've heard it all now. I don't mind you playing devils advocate but from responses I see you post on other subjects I think you are Jjust bored. You have yet to produce any credible counter argument so I think his debate is not really going anywhere.

And who might the word you be referencing in this?

On the note of if that you is in reference to my posts about the current report system (I doubt it is but I like to cover my bases). Well then no where did I say to make it harder to report cheating, and quite frankly I don't think anyone else has said that (at least not recently in the thread). However making it too easy to report players does have its down side like mentioned above. If you think that it won't be exploited then you are pretty naive to the world to scumbags. I don't think anyone is saying that we shouldn't be able to report illegal activities, however what a lot of people are forgetting is that ANY tool/power you give to the honest player you also give the dishonest player.

If you think the game is filled with honest people then sit down for this next part: it isn't.

[Vlady]

And who might the word you be referencing in this?

On the note of if that you is in reference to my posts about the current report system (I doubt it is but I like to cover my bases). Well then no where did I say to make it harder to report cheating, and quite frankly I don't think anyone else has said that (at least not recently in the thread). However making it too easy to report players does have its down side like mentioned above. If you think that it won't be exploited then you are pretty naive to the world to scumbags. I don't think anyone is saying that we shouldn't be able to report illegal activities, however what a lot of people are forgetting is that ANY tool/power you give to the honest player you also give the dishonest player.

If you think the game is filled with honest people then sit down for this next part: it isn't.

I believe you are talking about something totally different. We are discussing wanting SE to make it easier to report bots and RMT activity. Since the 2.0 early days of people claiming they illegally had their gil deleted by SE has no one claimed to have been banned or abused by SE in any way. You argue only for the sake of arguing without any backing to your claims outside of conjecture. We are asking for a needed way to make reporting bots easier and you are saying that it would cause bad behaviour? You can already report people and involve retainers in your report as well as suspicious activity because I have already reported retainers.

Abusive people will report regardless if it is easy or harder to go through the reporting steps. All this will do is allow people who are on a ps4 and have to use a controller to have an easier time with more options. You want to help bots with made up excuses of report abuse (which the ability to report has been around since 1.0) so after SE looks over at the people who are abusing the report system will most likely end up shooting themselves in the foot over the matter.

[Zorvan]

Is it ironic a guy named OMEGA-HACK wants reporting bots to be harder?

[tocsin]

snip.

I'm siding with Omega here. The current reporting system is already easily manipulated, and is used for harassment far too often. I cant even count the times I have been reported, merely because I was someone's competition, or they saw me gathering legitimately, and said "all gatherers are bots" and reported as such, usually while harassing me with trade blocking and mob kiting.

I take it you haven't ever been farming hippogryphs for skins on your combat class, and have someone come over and trade block you until you died. it sucks.

[Sicno]

Is it ironic a guy named OMEGA-HACK wants reporting bots to be harder?

Did you even read his previous post?

Well then no where did I say to make it harder to report cheating, and quite frankly I don't think anyone else has said that (at least not recently in the thread).