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    Velo'a Nharoz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyzern View Post
    There is a big reason, actually.

    If you're proposing that GEO comes out of CNJ as a DPS Job, this means that GEO will still have all the healing spells that WHM minus Regen, Divine Seal and Benediction. This is why they can't make branching jobs, sadly, unless they were to fix this class system.
    So you're saying that SCH is broken because it's both a healer and a DPS while every other job can really only fit a single role?
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velox View Post
    So you're saying that SCH is broken because it's both a healer and a DPS while every other job can really only fit a single role?
    I think the bigger concern with a DPS Job branching from the CNJ base class is that most of those class skills would be useless. I doubt anyone would care if a DPS had access to Cure II or Medica since A) casting those heals precludes doing DPS and B) low MND = very poor healing output.

    SCH works because support DPS abilities are appropriate for healers; support healing abilities on a DPS role are almost always redundant unless passive since we can't heal enemies to death.
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    I think the bigger concern with a DPS Job branching from the CNJ base class is that most of those class skills would be useless.
    Well, not quite. Quite the opposite, if anything. Simply because Conjurers get Cleric's Stance by nature. In case of summoners, they can't get access to Cleric's Stance simply because it's Conjurers, White Mage and Scholars exclusive. But if it's a DPS class that branches off Conjurer originally, they'd have it regardless. Effectively this would mean:
    A DPS class that should deal enough damage to be even considered as a DPS class - (a lot) more than healers the very least
    A DPS class that gets access to healing worth casting. Even with the 20% healing magic potency reduction from cleric's stance*. Also gets the traited Stoneskin version, unlike other classes.

    So in a nutshell: A DPS class with respectable healing and mitigation on par with a White Mage.

    * Assuming a DPS class branching off Conjurer would need to be in Cleric's Stance to heal, rather than DPS
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    Last edited by Lyrica_Ashtine; 05-18-2015 at 07:22 AM.

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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    So in a nutshell: A DPS class with respectable healing and mitigation on par with a White Mage.
    That would certainly keep it useful, but being conceptually appealing in gameplay is something altogether different there...
    Side-note: I really miss being able to heal decently enough on SMN between DoTs... essentially since around Stone Vigil. But at that time, can I really say my gameplay wasn't just a SCH with a dps pet so that I could make better use of my filler period (Cures rather than Ruin)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    A DPS class that should deal enough damage to be even considered as a DPS class - (a lot) more than healers the very least
    A DPS class that gets access to healing worth casting. Even with the 20% healing magic potency reduction from cleric's stance*. Also gets the traited Stoneskin version, unlike other classes.

    So in a nutshell: A DPS class with respectable healing and mitigation on par with a White Mage.

    * Assuming a DPS class branching off Conjurer would need to be in Cleric's Stance to heal, rather than DPS
    A good point about CS, but I dismissed CS out of hand because one of two scenarios would be very likely:

    A) CS is somehow rendered ineffective for the DPS job, perhaps similarly to how they worked it for PvP.
    B) CS works, but the job ends up with much poorer DPS to balance its WHM-like healing power, so no one wants it for either healing or DPS.
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    Last edited by Cynfael; 05-18-2015 at 07:38 AM.