summoner dps how to do it

[Kuroyasha]

On my SCH i have 644 Crit. i can put on average about 150 DPS. For those times my Crit fluctuate between 33% and 27%

Hazel! \^_^/ lol

[melflomil]

Hazel! \^_^/ lol

My favorite ninja ^_^. Remember buddy, I would risk the tank dying just to save you

[Tiops]

I've been lurking this thread and I'm,even more interested in working on my SMN. Just a question: You guys don't use Garuda anymore? All recent discussion here uses Ifrit, so I'm confused on this.

[Havenchild]

I've been lurking this thread and I'm,even more interested in working on my SMN. Just a question: You guys don't use Garuda anymore? All recent discussion here uses Ifrit, so I'm confused on this.

Not sure if you have seen my guide but I explain how you should be using either of them. They both have uses even within bounds of the same fight.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Summoner-Guide

[Judge_Xero]

So I've been heavily comparing the difference between the Bio and Classic Openers.

The difference I have seen when not using Contagion to extend the duration of a second RS'd Bio. (so when opening with Ifrit)

- When opening with Bio you need to see RS registered as a buff before using Bio or you will miss having it buffed. (due to being instant cast)
- Bio 2 with RS you can cast immediately due to having a cast time for RS to register anyways.
- The 48 Potency from a Second buffed Bio is almost immeasurable over the course of the opener.
- The Bio opener does not flow as well compared to the Classic Opener. So a single missed tick can overcome the 2nd buffed Bio (35-40 potency)

To summarize. On Paper the Bio opener is better, but in practical use where considering Dot clipping, and Pre-Casting Bio2 on the opener the Classic Opener is IMO better.

Over many tests of comparing the two, they both come out to about 3 DPS within each other, so I would always chose the one that flows better and has greater potential due to clipping.

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Should also add, when pre-casting Bio2 you are already ahead almost a full GCD before the boss is pulled. If you turn that into even half of an extra Ruin, then you are also ahead 40-80 Potency. You can't pre-cast Bio without pulling the boss lol. So that makes the Classic even more so the better choice.

[Sanguisio]

I like people like you, willing to test both out and put your hands up and say in actual fact there is little in it

[Judge_Xero]

I like people like you, willing to test both out and put your hands up and say in actual fact there is little in it

I'd chose trying to help others play their best over being "right" any day.

[pandabearcat]

Pshhhhhhhh. That is a terrible philosophy =P

I am reminded of a saying, "Its not only that I must succeed, but that all others must fail".

How can you hope to be an elitist otherwise?

[Panteleon]

I'd chose trying to help others play their best over being "right" any day.

I really appreciate that you guys've been sharing your thoughts on best play. I'm totally benefitting from you guys chatting in both this thread and Haven's guide (so thank you!). To be honest, I was starting to get jealous of the BLM thread: it was always so up to date and well thought through, and I was sure there were people who were serious about SMN and had a lot of solid insight about it.

[pandabearcat]

Its odd though because BLM has more variability to its rotation than SMN is.

The hardest part of SMN is really just...well learning to keep your dots up and your pet alive.

The rest is...very minor.

Even the oft debated "opener" has a very small impact on your overall dps. I can see why SMN threads die out - while the initial learning curve is daunting once you get used to it there isn't really that much to say.