Please do this SE.

[LordHadi]

No thanks.

[Adire]

No thanks.

Any reason why you don't support this?

[Zaft]

Any reason why you don't support this?

Obviously he wants to queue up, troll you, get kicked and do it all over again. It's what he lives for.

[Adire]

Obviously he wants to queue up, troll you, get kicked and do it all over again. It's what he lives for.

Probably. Guess I'm too optimistic to expect that he may have a legitimate reason to oppose this suggestion.

[LordHadi]

Because I got kicked once as a PLD by two members that joined together. Joined in again and they both left and I had no problem at all with the new healer.. So I'm glad I joined again, makes it fair for me.

and no i'm not trolling.

[Adire]

Because I got kicked once as a PLD by two members that joined together. Joined in again and they both left and I had no problem at all with the new healer.. So I'm glad I joined again, makes it fair for me.

and no i'm not trolling.

Fair enough. I've been wrongfully kicked myself before.

I still think kicked players should not be allowed to return though. Wrongful kicks are one thing, but one griefer having the ability to hold up 3 people for as long as they like is a much bigger problem.

If you are wrongfully kicked as a tank, you can get a fast queue again, not much harm done to you. If the tank is griefing though? The only option is for the others to leave and eat a wrongful penalty, or abandon.

[Lovescake]

Fair enough. I've been wrongfully kicked myself before.

I still think kicked players should not be allowed to return though. Wrongful kicks are one thing, but one griefer having the ability to hold up 3 people for as long as they like is a much bigger problem.

If you are wrongfully kicked as a tank, you can get a fast queue again, not much harm done to you. If the tank is griefing though? The only option is for the others to leave and eat a wrongful penalty, or abandon.

what about as a dps. how about the community just grows up, does the duty, then leaves and hopes they dont get the same people.

[LordHadi]

Fair enough. I've been wrongfully kicked myself before.

I still think kicked players should not be allowed to return though. Wrongful kicks are one thing, but one griefer having the ability to hold up 3 people for as long as they like is a much bigger problem.

If you are wrongfully kicked as a tank, you can get a fast queue again, not much harm done to you. If the tank is griefing though? The only option is for the others to leave and eat a wrongful penalty, or abandon.

I hear you, then I support this thread if they prevent a group of players joined a party together to vote kick (as they think they have the power in the party even tho they might be at fault), otherwise many people will be a victim and have their time wasted..

[Adire]

what about as a dps. how about the community just grows up, does the duty, then leaves and hopes they dont get the same people.

If you're kicked wrongfully as a DPS, then you don't have that benefit of the fast queue obviously. But given that most DPS know this, they are less likely to grief. They have more to lose from being kicked than tanks do.

If you're kicked wrongfully as a DPS, you probably don't want to be put back in with the group anyways. The tank and/or healer has to be involved in the DPS being kicked, and they can prevent you from completing the duty anyways if they want to.

As much as I agree with you and wish people would grow up, sometimes tanks do queue up with the sole intent to cause problems. And when they do, nothing can stop them really because of this system's design. People who do that only do it to get their laughs from causing other people problems, they don't care about completing the run.

I hear you, then I support this thread if they prevent a group of players joined a party together to vote kick (as they think they have the power in the party even tho they might be at fault), otherwise many people will be a victim and have their time wasted..

That is one possible solution, though I don't think disenfranchisement is the answer. If a party of three does a duty and gets a random, and that random is griefing and the party's votes are nullified, then the random person can stay in the duty against the wishes of 3 people.

Something needs to be done nonetheless. Tanks have instant queues many times and can harass and ruin dungeon runs single-handedly and evade the vote kick feature. In many cases, the people who vote you out aren't people you want to come back to anyways and aren't people who will get you a successful run either if they choose to stay.

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If a DPS is intentionally griefing, they are only putting themselves at risk. They can be kicked and replaced immediately. A group who keeps a griefing DPS in the group is one that's very patient.

A tank however is not so easily replaced and is more often than not more crucial for a run's success in DF than an individual DPS is. If someone is only interested in griefing (such as in the run that inspired me to post this thread), queuing as tank or maybe healer is the smart thing to do. You are crucial and are not as easily replaced typically. Trying to grief as a DPS is a good way to get yourself kicked without second thought, as you are more expendable.

[Amatsuhira]

I agree that griefing is an issue and kicking can work when all randoms agree but my issues are with it's frequency and the fact that the current enmity system pits players against each other. The dps checks further the problem within the group dynamic because someone/anyone can claim parser numbers or "dps is low". I want to root out the cause of the cancer all together. I have been witness to and a part of greifing and it's a snowball effect. When the dps that are easy to kick turn into tanks or vice versa, what is our true goal and why has it come this?
If only i were smarter...Or better yet had opinions from people that care enough to sift through the bs to find common ground.
Certainly not as simple as good or bad players/community members. Is there fault at the core of something in the game i wonder?