Am I the only one that sort of kinda likes the nerf to SoF?

[Viridiana]

Heres the issue. According to the forums no one wanted to run it. . . If you think 3.0 should be some badge of honour or something for completing SoF, then you need to get over yourself.

No one wanted to run it because people are excruciatingly bad at it and because there is no incentive to run more than once. You go on about casuals not being able to beat it, but it's not difficult. The game literally has speech bubbles popping up on your screen to tell you what to do at almost every step, and people still couldn't get it. This is not an issue with the instance but with the playerbase. No one should be thinking that beating pre-nerf SoF is a badge of honor, because there's no honor in beating easy content.

[Lilyarel]

No one wanted to run it because people are excruciatingly bad at it and because there is no incentive to run more than once. You go on about casuals not being able to beat it, but it's not difficult. The game literally has speech bubbles popping up on your screen to tell you what to do at almost every step, and people still couldn't get it. This is not an issue with the instance but with the playerbase. No one should be thinking that beating pre-nerf SoF is a badge of honor, because there's no honor in beating easy content.

Still doesnt change the fact that no one wanted to run it. You shouldnt make content that people only want to run once. SoF was set up in a way that required you to make zero mistakes. People didnt want to get to the very end and screw something up. With the nerf, its a bit more lenient with errors.

[Viridiana]

Still doesnt change the fact that no one wanted to run it. You shouldnt make content that people only want to run once. SoF was set up in a way that required you to make zero mistakes. People didnt want to get to the very end and screw something up. With the nerf, its a bit more lenient with errors.

SoF was never a zero-mistake instance. As people have mentioned repeatedly, it's entirely possible to kill the boss pre-nerf even with missing a dragon killer. And as it stands, it's still content that no one has any reason to run more than once, because there are still zero rewards to clearing multiple times. I fully expected them to do something like adding a Vishap card or later when they add non-character cards maybe a Steps of Faith card or something. But now there's no motivation for poor players to improve and no motivation for decent players to do the trial more than once. . .

[Lilyarel]

SoF was never a zero-mistake instance. As people have mentioned repeatedly, it's entirely possible to kill the boss pre-nerf even with missing a dragon killer. And as it stands, it's still content that no one has any reason to run more than once, because there are still zero rewards to clearing multiple times. I fully expected them to do something like adding a Vishap card or later when they add non-character cards maybe a Steps of Faith card or something. But now there's no motivation for poor players to improve and no motivation for decent players to do the trial more than once. . .

Its on trial roulette. Everyone runs the rest of them just fine. So whats makes SoF different?

[Viridiana]

Its on trial roulette. Everyone runs the rest of them just fine. So whats makes SoF different?

People are exceptionally bad at SoF, and unlike Titan HM, you can't carry 4 people through it at current gear levels. >_>

Everything else in trial roulette with the possible exception of Chrysalis you can carry people through at current gear levels, especially given that veteran players have reasons to actively run the rest of the trials still (except Westwind, Chrysalis, and SoF). And none of them take nearly as long for a group to fail. SoF takes forever to fail, which will almost certainly happen at least once because people really are bad.

[Seiss]

The nerf takes away that sense of accomplishment when you finish it and also prevents you from seeing what lies at the end of the bridge.. no longer will players see the large group of barrels at the end set off by the Npc's to help take Vishap down.

Imo the ones on this forum who are happy for this nerf are the very ones who were leaving the instance w/o even trying to pass it only to come here on the forum to complain while they wait 30 min for their ban to wear off.

SE could have implemented a system where the fight just got easier after like the second wipe or those that just cant seem to get it down but w/e whats done is done and it doesn't seem like anyone who enjoys a challenge or players that understand that difficult content exists to help you as a player increase your skill will ever be catered to.

SE please bring back that Sense of Accomplishment... bring back that Feeling of Danger of knowing you could fail but then succeed.. stop pandering to these people that will only play the game during free weekends.

[Rocond]

Its on trial roulette. Everyone runs the rest of them just fine. So whats makes SoF different?

Time vs Reward is what makes it different from every single other thing in that roulette. You could do a hardmode dungeon roulette for 100 tomes in less time than a SoF for 60. Something is wrong with that.

Also the main reason people left SoF right away in roulette wasn't because it was hard. They left because it's baffling and a serious test of patience to see how people could fail repeatedly at something so easy.

Either way, the nerf is fine because nobody ever did this trial looking for a challenge anyway. There is other content in the game for people looking to be challenged more.

[SummerSkye]

Still doesnt change the fact that no one wanted to run it.

In my Free Company, if a player needs help with any MSQ, most of us will drop whatever we are doing (not much to do pre 3.0, anyway) and help them. FFXIV: ARR is an MMO. It still blows my mind that people choose not to socialize, make friends and join a decent linkshell or free company that will help them with content and only use duty finder as a last resort.

"no one wants to run it" in DF or even PF is not an excuse...or a reason to start nerfing content because players are too lazy to learn a fight. This was never a "hard" fight to begin with. I say people that CHOOSE to play an MMO, and then refuse to make friends or join a community have not earned the right to complain about what is or is not going on in duty finder.

[LunaHoshino]

SoF was set up in a way that required you to make zero mistakes.

Completely untrue. The DF group I cleared it with had multiple people die, sometimes more than once. (I wear this badge of shame.) We still managed to down it on the first try even despite that.

[KisaiTenshi]

Solution for everyone:

Add SoF (Hard) with the original mechanics with ilevel not synced. ilevel sync the existing SoF to 110.