Take it easy on the Nerfing :/

[Priya]

Story content should be accessible. Even if some people already think it's easy. The challenge should lie in current raids which should also be nerfed as the next current tier of raiding is released (I kind of wish they would've waited until the xpack release to nerf FCoB).

If you want the challenge, get there when it's current, turn off the echo, or beg for slower content patches so you have time to get there (the chances of this one are slim to none.)

[ShaneDawn]

That's the thing nowadays; it seems that the vast majority would rather wait for the challenges to be degraded to their skill level, rather than up their game and face it on it's prime. Funny thing is, the time a lot of these people spent writing whiny essays about stuff like SoF, they could've just read the strategy in 5mins, make a PF in 30, and then go one- or two-shot-it in an instance. But nope, that doesn't go with their sense of *fun*, but they'd rather tank-and-spank every instance and keep thinking the issue is with the instance, other people or simply *not* *themselves*. I'm really hoping for a dev to step in and say "it's working as intended", and let those whiners start reflecting on themselves rather than bark at the wrong tree.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Steps didn't need a nerf, it just needed to be placed in the correct roulette.

Nope the roulette was fine, all was really needed was the people IN roullete (you have to clear that trial to do the trial roullete) was to take their experience of the mechanics and do them to help out other newer players. But no, everyone said they would rather eat 30 min penalty and get NO tomes, instead of spending 30 min helping newer players and get tomes.

These players are prob the exact same ones using this excuse. "I can't get into endgame because no1 will help me." Well I for one will no longer be helping anyone outside my free company. Because obviously people want help for themselves but unwilling to help others. Selfish community is selfish!!!

[Kallera]

The problem with gatekeepers is after too long, with no help, the out group just ups and leaves, or they get fed up and look for "other ways", or resentment and obsession builds. None of which lead to a good experience, or gaining money.

[synesthetic]

The alternative to nerfing would be to strengthen the playerbase. Teach people how to play better; encourage people to do their best and try to get better, instead of keeping the mindset of "we don't wipe, so its okay".

But nerfing is easier, of course.

As it stands, I think the players who like the game's challenge and who take the game (and their time) more seriously need better ways to find each other. The game's supposed to be fun, but in the devs' efforts to make it more fun for the people who aren't as capable or willing, they're stepping on the toes of the people who are. And if I go by forums and complaints ingame, the two camps often don't have fun playing with each other.

[Akuryu]

Increasingly I feel like there is just no room for challenging content in this game. SE introduced a piece of content that required a minimal amount of communication and coordination. The community showed SE that they couldn't handle it. In the future, SE will be less likely to introduce such content. That hurts everyone in the long-run.

This happened with the original Amdapor Keep and Pharos Sirius dungeons. They proved too hard for many, and so they were nerfed. We've never had a challenging dungeon since.

These constant nerfs kill players' drive to adapt and improve. If a fight is challenging, just sit back and wait for the nerf. They know it's coming. No point in pushing themselves to learn the fights. No reason to form relationships with other players and grow as a team. Nerfs do not encourage players to improve... they encourage them to be lazy and complacent.

If this is the precedent we are setting, then the future for this game doesn't look too bright. Players who are looking for a challenge will start looking at other games. The completion rate of future raids will be even lower than it is now, which will result in even further nerfs, which will result in easier raids being introduced. At some point every boss in the game is going to be a loot pinata, and there are going to be tons of bored people sitting around with nothing to work towards.

[Iromi]

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This..so much this. All SE is accomplishing by continuous nerfs is breeding more and more bad players.

I think one solution to this is to have different tiers of content. Have something for the bad players with rewards (doesn't have to be the best, but make it decent) and then middle ground with better rewards..and then finally the hardcore people with the top tier gear. Just make it worthwhile, but don't force good players to carry bad, lazy people.

Also they should have started doing this WAY before steps. Man, I fear for the expansion lol.

[KaedrianLiang]

Being pulled into a SoF as a trial roulette where the first timers don't follow or want your advice because they want to experience that "learning" feeling makes me a victim.

Especially so when you realize 5-7 of the party members que'd together and you just happen to be that odd one out because they couldn't find an 8th to share their masochist ways. How would you realize? you find that they all have the same, similar or complimenting sur or first names in any combination.

This particular special SoF, this ingame "couple" tank and healer, decided to run off to the side and stare at eachother while sword fighting below the belt, until we got the opportunity to kick them. Vishap walked down the bridge like nobody's business while player deaths ensued, because drgs cant help themselves when a warship size dragon is idling before them.

So SoF is just one of those things that is a cesspool of ridiculously outrageous nonsense, please nerf so we can get through this mindlessly. It's not like we are getting bonus tomes or combat items at the end of it all.

As for my first clear, first pf group, 2nd attempt. I shot down the cries to "zerg the dragon because we can respawn even if we die" arguments and went for a stratagems approach and actually reading what the vice commander of Ishgard high military was spamming across the middle of your screen.

[Hyrist]

There needs to be a full on thread for the facts, and my thoughts on this.

This anti-nerf policy people seem to be adapting is highly contrary to the continued health and prosperity of the game.

Nothing in the main story line related, what so ever, to 'endgame' content, and on average, less than 15% of the population of this game even has a minute, remote chance of saying the content is 'too easy'. Most of the endgame is script memorization and that's learned on a fight by fight basis. If you could get someone to T13, without having to Clear T9, and give them the appropriate practice to get good for T13. They'd still be horrible for T9. The Difficulty of Steps of Faith and any other Main Story-tied instance has absolutely Zero impact on endgame. Endgame is just not designed that way.

I'm curbing my desire to outright insult the vocal minority here. Please, for your own sake, think beyond yourself and your bias viewpoints.

[AceHunterIce]

If you guys need examples for the people that complained about this duty
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Cowards-Abound
I wonder if Japan got the same nerf cause how much you wanna bet they are laughing at US right about now