Tanks thrown out of farms for low DPS?

[Elusana_Celah]

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Yes but I have to invest millions and millions of gil into RNG based melding and crafting accessories to get enough accuracy to help DPS in FCoB. I mean I still miss a ton if I try to help DPS in T9 yet alone FCoB. I love to play my white mage efficiently but I'm not gonna farm all that gil and gamble with melds until the stress of the gil investment starts to bother me just so I can start doing DPS in a FCoB raid. I currently sit at like I THINK 418 accuracy and my healing gear gives me really bad accuracy so it's up to melding to reach that cap and I ain't doing it.

That is what stops me from wanting to DPS in FCoB. So I just heal and crutch other people's mistakes best I can and hope people are happy with my performance because I do work hard at my job, I just won't mess around with the RNG based melding system (I have one i110 plat ring of healing I invested in for extra vitality when FCoB had no echo and I spent almost 3 million gil and it took me a long long time to get that money on that (including the cost to craft it) because my luck with melding is incredibly awful. People don't even believe me but I will literally record my bad luck and post it on Youtube if I have to. I could equip some of my caster accessories to try to increase my accuracy but then I'm replacing 3-4 accessories with INT gear on a white mage... that would get me booted from a farm if they inspected me LOL.

[Spoekes]

Tanks must have that acc cap anyway, I think you misunderstood my reply from what you are saying ^^

Personally, I think the WHM in FCOB is not expected to do meaningful DPS. I didn't want to imply any of that in my previous post.
I just wanted to provide you with an analogy (you WHM in 4-man dungeons adding some DPS) to the WAR that drops defiance when theres nothing to tank and squeezes out some DPS.
Both is not mandatory, but also not unreasonable or too much to ask.

[Elusana_Celah]

Tanks must have that acc cap anyway, I think you misunderstood my reply from what you are saying ^^

Personally, I think the WHM in FCOB is not expected to do meaningful DPS. I didn't want to imply any of that in my previous post.
I just wanted to provide you with an analogy (you WHM in 4-man dungeons adding some DPS) to the WAR that drops defiance when theres nothing to tank and squeezes out some DPS.
Both is not mandatory, but also not unreasonable or too much to ask.

'tis true. If I am not locked behind an accuracy cap I do help DPS a lot. In dungeons I usually wait 1 or 2 pulls to see how the tank's HP stands then I will determine how much, if any, DPS I can do and help speed the runs up. For the most part I will pop regens on people and start dpsing bosses too. But it's mostly cuz I just want to hurry up and get out of the dungeon and I find that I shave quite a bit of time off the total run by helping with DPS

[seraf]

Just report the guy for using DPS Meters because the only way for anyone to know who is doing low dps is to be using one of those. Then move on and find better people to play with.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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No, the topic itself is about tanks being required to DPS under very few circunstances in the sea of PF. As a consequence, getting kicked out because they were pulling low DPS numbers on raid content. I understand the discussion, but I also see people saying "But tanks are tanks, they should tank" and people saying "You might be bad if you don't DPS as a tank". It's the healer doing DPS discussion all over again. I do get the discussion is not all black and white and there're people with a nice opinion about it, which undersand the risks of having a nice DPS number as you tank at the same time. Other people completely getting it wrong by saying "If you need your tank to DPS; then you're bad", as if all the people requesting tanks to pull extra DPS is because they need it.

But I see people trying to convince others about either idea, as if they are going to change anything or others opinion about it, since most of these guys have the "role system" as a bible or "sacred cows". If Shang Tsung creates a PF and he wants to kick the tank because his DPS is low, he's free to do it. You, as a tank, joined that group under these circunstances, knowing the risks. I voiced my opinion about what I expect in exchange though.

Edit: Goddamnit, remove the char limit already!

[SirTaint]

Just report the guy for using DPS Meters because the only way for anyone to know who is doing low dps is to be using one of those. Then move on and find better people to play with.

That is not entirely accurate. Another party member could be relaying the information. The tanks could be sitting in Shield oath/Defiance the entire fight. The tanks could have extremely excess HP.

It is very easy to tell if a tank knows their job and how well they play it. (A big reason most people choose not to tank)

Hold hate, mitigate damage, stance dance, gear correctly

[Chessala]

Honestly, as a Str Tank you are just a liability in any dungeon. When I am on my healer, I do NOT like to STR tanks for the following reasons:

1 - They are nothing but MP sponges. Sorry, I have yet to meet a STR tank that know how to use CDs properly. And even if they are used, it is a hassle.
2 - People want healers to dps, right? Well, don't be a sponge and let the healer have room to move
3 - Give me one valid argument that justifies you being a STR tank in a normal dungeon/raid (rushing the place does not count because with you more dead than alive, believe me, it will not be faster
4 - I might just let you die if you are too much of a hassle

[Gallus]

The root of the problem here is people performing poorly on a job, a few individuals realizing and excluding that person from their group. And then the person whining about it.
People shouldn't even question or be concerned about the way in which those players realized about his/her terrible performance (parsers, hate meters, etc.). If you are bad and have no intention to improve in a teamwork game, it's only a matter of time til someone tells you that you are in fact, terrible (especially since people aren't tremendously polite on the internet), that will happen in a world with parsers, without parsers and with flying pink elephants sending you friend requests.

To put it on another way:

1 - Douches will still be douches with ingame parsers or not.
2 - Bad players will still be bad players with ingame parsers or not.
3 - Normal players noticing how other players perform poorly will happen with ingame parsers or not.

[SirTaint]

Honestly, as a Str Tank you are just a liability in any dungeon. When I am not a healer, I do NOT like to STR tanks for the following reasons:

1 - They are nothing but MP sponges. Sorry, I have yet to meet a STR tank that know how to use CDs properly. And even if they are used, it is a hassle.
2 - People want healers to dps, right? Well, don't be a sponge and let the healer have room to move
3 - Give me one valid argument that justifies you being a STR tank in a normal dungeon/raid (rushing the place does not count because with you more dead than alive, believe me, it will not be faster
4 - I might just let you die if you are too much of a hassle

A good tank will Hybrid/VIT the fodder if they are doing big pulls and STR tank the bosses. Normal 3 mob pulls the tanks gear doesn't matter as much.

[Dererk]

I only use at most 2 str il 130 gears as a PLD mainly 1 so I can keep hate better all bonus points put into vit. I will never spend Gil on the crafted gear just so it will become useless once the next set comes out. Better things to save it for like low level jobs and the like.

The idea that people saying the vast majority of tanks need to dps more? Just lol work on your dps cause as long as I'm alive you won't be dying from cleaves and the such bit it seams more to me latly that the vast majority of dps keep getting hit by aoes and dying lowers dps.