Tanks thrown out of farms for low DPS?

[SirTaint]

With that in mind, is judging tank DPS in PUG groups reasonable?

The average numbers are zzzz range. Doing your rotation in the proper stance. Even excellent gives a ton of room to play safely and can be done with average healers. I toned the DPS
numbers way down. As stated in the beginning, Excellent Raiders numbers can reach much higher DPS. (450 MTing T10 for example, OTs doing 400+ in T13 etc)

Bad tanks don't even factor in their healers and they are the majority. I did T10 spam on Thursday night with my raid healers (WHM/SCH) I was on BRD. They can handle both tanks in DPS stances and full STR sets no problem. Our PLD was doing sub 190 and our OT WAR was hovering in the 220 range. (no tank swaps) That's a combined ~410 when on average should have been ~600 and with 2 pro healers should have been closer to 800.

400 DPS difference! Over the course of 7 minutes (average PUG T10 kill) that is 170,000 damage.

Good tanks will know how to maximize their DPS (gear/rotation/stance) with their healers and since most PUGs do more then one run there is time to figure out how to best compliment the party.

[Elusana_Celah]

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I understand your point completely but I don't particularly place too much faith on people when I join a pug group. I was healing a T12 a few days ago where this paladin was 150% strength and sword oath and I'm running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to deal with brand mechanic in phase 2 and keep that tank alive I saw the phoenix shaving 15-25% hp off with auto attacks of course he was mitigating the revelations which worked out but I ended up switching out of healer and going to monk because I was tired of overworking like that to heal that tank. I let someone else do it lol. We got some kills in like this.

Granted, he was parsing 450-500 which was really good bravo to him but I don't want to work that much harder just to farm with pugs... sadly when I switched to monk when our dragoon left and the tank left too. We ended up taking down the boss faster with our new tank who was all fending because my monk parses 600-620 lol (I replaced someone who was parsing 390 though).

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Personal experiences aside, because these might vary a lot and it's not an absolute basis for an opinion.

How many groups do you see in PF actually requesting for this? I don't really think this is a thing. Again, I come from Gilgamesh, one of the top raiding servers, and I never heard of it. Pretty sure they're a minority, so nothing to be concerned about, if that even concerns you. They want someone that could adapt to their playstyle, it's their choice. If they don't get that group filled in 2 minutes but in 20 minutes because of that requirement, that's none of our business. I'm sure there're plenty of super confident tanks that will accept it and join them. If that's an "OK" requirement, yes, it is. Why should we judge other's playstyle? They're not forcing you to join these PF, they invite people with that requirement. I don't think it's silly or a nonsense at all... why would it be?

But so far, we're discussing if it's okay for a tank to increase their DPS or not during raid time. Some groups have a good synergy with these builds and they can heal/DPS just okay, like my group for example (Even though I know that personal experiences are somewhat unique and may vary a lot as I said) since I tank T13 with full slaying and I never go below the 50% of my HP during Flatten/Ahk Morn. Having my SCH DPSing almost full time and my WHM sneaking Aeros and Stones from time to time. In pugs I do agree it's super sensitve, but there's when you talk to this person, if you're having issues with him and tell him they're not doing any good for healers, for example. If they are not adapting themselves to your playstyle, you're super free to rep them.