What was your last PVP Ragequit?

[CeveArthu]

I know i bash FL alot because the only good mode is pretty much dead now, but can someone tell me: Is this complaints of cheaters actually legit or is it people that dont understand the game complaining when they die (considering 99% of fl players are awful, the gamemode was designed around them, thi is most likely the case in my eyes)

I've not once seen someone do something remotely resembling cheating when i play FL :/

[kpxmanifesto]

I know i bash FL alot because the only good mode is pretty much dead now, but can someone tell me: Is this complaints of cheaters actually legit or is it people that dont understand the game complaining when they die (considering 99% of fl players are awful, the gamemode was designed around them, thi is most likely the case in my eyes)

I've not once seen someone do something remotely resembling cheating when i play FL :/

I don't believe it is a legit complaint unless I see some sort of proof of it. There's only one person on these forums that consistently complains of cheating and that's the person that posted right before you.

[THETRUESELF]

I've not once seen someone do something remotely resembling cheating when i play FL :/

There is something I can't explain 'till today. Back in the secure days I saw someone teleporting to Markets right after the match started. He was asap there. Even saw someone in the chat asking, how he did that. I saw this person twice and he did it twice. If this wasn't a kind of "hack" or "cheat" then I dunno. [This was last year and in Chaos datacenter.]

[kpxmanifesto]

There is something I can't explain 'till today. Back in the secure days I saw someone teleporting to Markets right after the match started. He was asap there. Even saw someone in the chat asking, how he did that. I saw this person twice and he did it twice. If this wasn't a kind of "hack" or "cheat" then I dunno. [This was last year and in Chaos datacenter.]

Was he capping the flag way before you guys made it there?

[THETRUESELF]

Was he capping the flag way before you guys made it there?

Yes. .

[RobinRethiel]

I know i bash FL alot because the only good mode is pretty much dead now, but can someone tell me: Is this complaints of cheaters actually legit or is it people that dont understand the game complaining when they die (considering 99% of fl players are awful, the gamemode was designed around them, thi is most likely the case in my eyes)

I've not once seen someone do something remotely resembling cheating when i play FL :/

There are even videos from it, so of course. But it's also typical, that people are playing the 3 apes, when it comes to such things. Hacks in MMOs are as old as the genre itself, still people always ask the same question: "What hacks?", as if they are newborn babies of the gaming world. Of course, people who are simply casual may have not heared anything of it, since they do their thing two times a week and don't care for anything else, but those people don't play PvP anyway.

When someone is pretty much immun to CC or knockback, while the attack obviously hit and without any message, there must be a hack or bug.
If someone is falling down the platform and suddenly is standing again on top of it, that's of course a tele hack, what else? It can't be even lag, that would not work like this. Same for people who stand on their team position, suddenly next to you and use limit break or whatever.
When someone is absolutely immun to any interrupt, this MAY be lag (which is a problem for itself, if lag actually helps you this way), but it's still strange, if this does not hinder this person at all to react to any damage instantly. But well...

Also people running faster than you can sprint. And so on.

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Of course in this chaos you don't see a blazing like crying "CHEATING". You have to look out for such things. Since most people can't even take care of their own character...

Such example with people who feed the other teams on purpose are of course also cheater. See this often enough. Or when they team up from the start, and follow you together, not caring for each other. No normal behaviour...

[CeveArthu]

When someone is pretty much immun to CC or knockback, while the attack obviously hit and without any message, there must be a hack or bug.

erm...cc immunity is a core mechanic of pvp, i cant tell if you are joking or not >_>

When someone is absolutely immun to any interrupt,

Equanimity, Manawall, manaward, cover, surecast, stoneskin, galvanise all allow you to cast without interuption unless you get slept/stunned

[RobinRethiel]

erm...cc immunity is a core mechanic of pvp, i cant tell if you are joking or not >_>

If you get a message, not without a message and you can't get immun to knockback, it is no CC. By the way: this is also such a thing. CC which got no DR. Sleep: 15s 7s 7s 7s. Or 15s sleep and 10s later again 15s. Terrible bug.

Equanimity, Manawall, manaward, cover, surecast, stoneskin, galvanise all allow you to cast without interuption unless you get slept/stunned

Yeah, does not count all, because they did not have it and they GOT damage, just not interrupted.

[CeveArthu]

and you can't get immun to knockback

Attunement, Tempered will, Holmgang all provide immunity to knockback (attunement doesnt provide actual immunity, it just gives you a huge chance to dodge the skills)

Yeah, does not count all, because they did not have it and they GOT damage, just not interrupted.

all casters have equanimity, sure and swiftcast, all healers have access to at least stoneskin, black mages have manawall and manaward

If they are half way through the cast when you hit them, odds are that they have already finished casting because latency isnt a strong point of ff14

[kpxmanifesto]

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Most of these scenarios are easily explained as Ceve has already shown you. I really think you need to face the reality that in many of these cases where you accuse people of hacking are more just cases of you being outplayed.

I see people warp back and forth between being off platform and on platform on a few occasions. I've also seen people on the platform seemingly fine suddenly be dead at the bottom of the heliodrome in an instant. Our PCs/consoles sometimes cannot catch up to what's happening in real time which more than likely gives rise to the many instances of warping or "teleporting" around.