Tanks thrown out of farms for low DPS?

[PArcher]

Snippy again

Just as you said, it is not black and white. Everything is situational. I've seen plenty of times where tanks or heals (even those who should know better) were trying to DPS where they shouldn't be, because they're being pressured into DPSing more or because they think they're better than everyone else and can force their partner tank/heal to do everything for them. Or, something goes wrong and because the tank/heal was DPSing rather than doing their job a wipe is caused. And yes, there are times when it is much better to "do nothing" rather than try to swap stances and DPS, especially in PUGs.

In PUGs, its almost always better to er on the side of caution. You don't know who is in your group, you don't know their skill level, you don't know if they're going to do something different than your used to (another really common thing I see in PUGs...people assuming a specific strat is going to be used. Then you see the tethered people going in opposite directions and killing themselves, and throwing a bunch of stacks on the other group...). As I said, go all out with people you know. But PUGs? You're the fool for expecting more than the basics.
The whole Cover thing...if a DPS is getting cleaved, guess who's fault that is (especially considering only one FCoB boss actually cleaves consistently...Imdugud, Bahamut and Kaliya have a cone AoE that's easy to avoid, and Phoenix only has Revalation that AoEs around the tank); getting hit by the boss's attacks, unless you're tanking, means you're in the wrong spot and you need to move. No excuses, stop being bad DPS. Also...what are the healers doing instead of healing in this situation?


Just for grins, your Lodestone is interesting...you sure talk a lot for someone who hasn't cleared FCoB yet and has a very Augmented Paladin showing. I do wonder just how much you really PUG (or even run) endgame content.

[Havenae]

There's just a lot of assholes in this community. It's really too bad they just didn't stay in WoW where they belong.

[Shyluv]

I don't see a problem with expecting any player to play to the best of their ability.

How do you know what the best of their ability is? Lots of people have physical or mental health issues that could hinder what you consider to be "the best".

[Twilite]

So why make a of..? Just do it with fc. All them 50s gotta be ilevel130.

[Synestra]

You really cannot ask nextlevel playing from players in DF/PF when so many has trouble to grasp even basics, you can always push yourself but dont assume that everyone does the same in PuG's.

[Adire]

Just for grins, your Lodestone is interesting...you sure talk a lot for someone who hasn't cleared FCoB yet and has a very Augmented Paladin showing. I do wonder just how much you really PUG (or even run) endgame content.

[nuyu11]

Forum always give funny discussion, never heard from my server about this.
I have friends who have "Out of a Bind III" achievement and their job is farm Coil only,
most of them have full set from Coil on their main class.
They never mention about the Tank DPS need to met some criteria or par.

I have no right to comment here because I never set my foot to t13 yet. (Lack ilvl and don't have "Blood for Blood" yet),
But I have completed t12 few times already and never got kicked from the party due to DPS or what ever issue.
We have Echo already, there is no need to be so strict.

Well anyone can make their own rules for their PF, but in the same time you create more enemies based on that behavior and later on nobody want to help you.

[Zumi]

Forum always give funny discussion, never heard from my server about this.
I have friends who have "Out of a Bind III" achievement and their job is farm Coil only,
most of them have full set from Coil on their main class.
They never mention about the Tank DPS need to met some criteria or par.

I have no right to comment here because I never set my foot to t13 yet. (Lack ilvl and don't have "Blood for Blood" yet),
But I have completed t12 few times already and never got kicked from the party due to DPS or what ever issue.
We have Echo already, there is no need to be so strict.

Well anyone can make their own rules for their PF, but in the same time you create more enemies based on that behavior and later on nobody want to help you.

I got out of a bind 3 with my FC. Go 100% full vit on pld because that is what the healers in fc want. So you really do not need high tank dps to beat FCoB at all and we did this before echo even came out.

[nuyu11]

I got out of a bind 3 with my FC. Go 100% full vit on pld because that is what the healers in fc want. So you really do not need high tank dps to beat FCoB at all and we did this before echo even came out.

Yeap... High vit will give less stress to healer, that's what they taught me.
From my personal perspective, everything is not about the result, it's about chemistry and team works.
Everyone can cover others weakness and same thing applies to you.
That's why doing with your friends will have higher success rate.

[StrejdaTom]

In kill/ clear PTs I wouldn't really require tanks to have good dps, but in farms I guess everyone is expected to do their best which includes even tanks and healers dps wise.

I don't care about healer/tank dps when I make my farm parties but I honestly believe.. um nope, I take it as a fact.. that party leader is permitted to make any requirements and rules he wants for his party as long as they do not interfere with law and rules set by Square Enix. No one forces you to join these parties but you aren't really rightful, if you decide to bash them. There are people who want to farm things at the fastest pace possible (even tanks and healers) and are willing to work for that even under threat of being kicked.

EDIT: Some people are stating (not saying that in this topic) that if the DPS is low, it is the mistake of DPSes, which is truth BUT! there is no DPS ceiling that can the party do overall. Even if you have the top DPSes EU, your overall damage will stop at the damage ceiling of each DPS class and then you can only make the DPS higher, when your tank and healer do dps too. If bard reaches for example average 490 in 5minutes (without echo, it is maybe possible to do more dps in 5 minutes but I don't know that), he probably reached the maximal damage output he can do, but if warrior decides to also do proper DPS, the overall DPS will just go even higher and it will make the run shorter.

Do not take this reply as a reply to OP, I am just giving out my own opinion about the correctness of making parties with high level dps requirement or kick that include even tanks and healers.