Tanks thrown out of farms for low DPS?

[Eidolon]

If you NEED a tank/healer to DPS, in any current raid content, your party is just bad. End of story.

Progression, sure you might need to squeeze every bit out. But in this scenario given? It's more likely the DPS were just bad and were blaming the tanks DPS.

As a high-end warrior myself, I tank every turn in full i130 right side STR. I have out dps'd mediocre players and lesser geared players alike while tanking. But survival is my #1 concern. If I don't believe I can survive in my gear due to low bad heals, I won't wear it.

[Velthice]

Tanks that focus too much on DPS scare me. I've had to heal tanks that want so badly to put out big DPS numbers that they've shed all their vit, parry, and block. In order to keep them alive I have to spam heal them. Then they get angry when I pull hate.

Not to mention, that extra 50-100 tank DPS doesn't make up for missing out on healer DPS.

This makes absolutely no sense. Parry is next to useless useless, block only comes from shields and none of those stats nor vitality increase enmity generation at all, whereas loading up on strength and damage increasing stats do.

So not only am I calling BS on your pulling hate story, but I'll go a step further and say you have no idea how tanking and enmity generation works.

[Eidolon]

This makes absolutely no sense. Parry is next to useless useless, block only comes from shields and none of those stats nor vitality increase enmity generation at all, whereas loading up on strength and damage increasing stats do.

So not only am I calling BS on your pulling hate story, but I'll go a step further and say you have no idea how tanking and enmity generation works.

Very likely he might have overhealed the tank, and pulled hate through sheer overheal spam (pure STR accessories won't compensate for a lower level weapon, and if his other armor is weaker then he definitely will be more inclined to spam heals)

[SDaemon]

This makes absolutely no sense. Parry is next to useless useless, block only comes from shields and none of those stats nor vitality increase enmity generation at all, whereas loading up on strength and damage increasing stats do.

So not only am I calling BS on your pulling hate story, but I'll go a step further and say you have no idea how tanking and enmity generation works.

Because WHM never have to worry about pulling enmity from tanks ever, even WARs in dps accessories....right?

I believe their point is that when a tank focuses too much on dps and not enough on their own CDs and surviability (dodging appropriately etc etc), he compensates by spam healing them and thus pulls aggro. SoS is on a 2min CD ya know. As a WHM he should watch his aggro carefully but if its a choice between pulling aggro and watching the tank bite it, things don't always work out smoothly

In the above situation though, the group needs to coordinate better really.

[Canadane]

As someone who mains a tank, I have a vit set that I always start my builds with, and a str set for times when it's needed. If I cannot survive in my str set for any reason I simply throw on my vit set for the extra 3k HP or so.
As for relying on tanks DPS as a team making you bad, I'll need to disagree. The best mitigation is killing something faster so it can't hit you back as much. Be this an add, a phase change for a boss, or what have you.

Perhaps if Parry was more useful, I could go back to my super-parry set. In fact, I really miss the old MRD trait for standing still. Bring it back Yoshi! Give parry a use!

[HorseBoots]

Using a 3rd party app to negatively effect another player's experience is very much against Terms of Service. Using a parser to actively discriminate against another player for not meeting an arbitrary expectation not fully required for the role is completely fair game for a report and a slap on the wrist by a GM.

Fact of the matter is that when content is being developed and going through internal play-testing, it is all developed with the standard 2 Tanks 2 Healers 4 DPS combination with the most vanilla gear available. Good healer and tank DPS are the cherries on the top of your raiding cake. They are nice treats to have and are well appreciated, but are not required in standard play. Which we are far past that point with Echo buff already implemented.

[Velthice]

Very likely he might have overhealed the tank, and pulled hate through sheer overheal spam (pure STR accessories won't compensate for a lower level weapon, and if his other armor is weaker then he definitely will be more inclined to spam heals)

That's true. I suppose I assumed that tanks loading up on strength would be smart enough to have a decent left side to compensate for it, and I really should have known better than to assume that. Oh well... Maybe in a perfect world.

[kyuven]

"My feelings were hurt by some randomn person, so now I'm going to stop doing anything in order to get back at him while being detrimental to the 6 other players that did nothing wrong" Grow a thicker skin or get off the internet.

It's not just about hurt feelings, it's about the attitude.
If you let it slide, they get reinforcement for their attitude and the cycle continues.
I really don't get this farm mentality that every single thing needs to be super high and super uh, "pinchy" to be worthwhile.
You're winning. Why does anything else matter as long as you're winning and no one is dying?
"Efficiency?" Please. Every fight worth doing has an enrage timer. At most you save maybe 2 minutes. Time you would lose anyway having to replace people either because you feel they're "bad" or they/you don't like your/their attitude.
DPS doesn't matter. Only victory matters.

[Eidolon]

As for relying on tanks DPS as a team making you bad, I'll need to disagree. The best mitigation is killing something faster so it can't hit you back as much. Be this an add, a phase change for a boss, or what have you

1. You can not mitigate damage if you are dead.
2. You do more DPS while alive.
3. My statement was that if you NEED tank DPS, not that it isn't nice. Like I said - I'll bring my STR gear to a farm unless I lose faith in the healers. But if you NEED my STR gear? The issue likely lies in an underperforming DPS.

This issue is a little close to home for me. During progression, I ran my own static. Our DPS underperformed, so I often had to wear full STR gear. But then I would die with vengeance + inner beast up. So... I was caught between two hells. 1% enrage wipes suck when you're full VIT.

But all current parties shouldn't demand tanks have high DPS output.

[Launched]

Expecting a tank to do good DPS when you're farming is perfectly reasonable. You can easily add 100-200 DPS, and that adds up when you're doing lots of runs, and helps speed up phase changes.