Will you quit if this game becomes raid-centric?

[Onidemon]

most other MMOs are raid-centric yes. And i don't really like that. But i'd rather play a raid-centric game with story-based raids that are up to par to current standards than a raid-centric game where all you do is run through a cave and kill 2 bosses. The job system won't be done for about half a year so that means they can't really create a "great" raid for at least 6 months. And from whats been released so far i don't have overly high expectations.

Again... where did you get the idea that the job system won't be done for another 6 months? From letter X it clearly says it's part of the changes that are due for the end of summer and i don't know where you live but here in Canada it's pretty much our last summer month.

Also not sure if SE calls these "RAIDS" ... i think all i've seen was the word "dungeon" being used and these are pretty much that... Dungeons. Every MMORPG needs these.. it's at the core of an RPG game. Have you ever played an RPG that had no dungeons? Cuz that's all there is and every FF game is centered around that.

Now if you wanna talk about Raids.... from my own experience Raids are very large dungeons that are way more difficult and which require multiple parties to join forces in order to complete them. We don't have any Raids in FFXIV yet and yes you are right when you say we won't have one for months and that's understandable. Raids require a lot more effort and coordination from parties then dungeons do and with the battle system being incomplete we can't have Raids.

So bottom line, FFXIV like any other MMORPG will be centered a lot around Dungeons and Raids but that doesn't stop them from giving you NM or HNM, PVP or any other option to keep you entertained and provide you with means to acquire some rare loot. WOW is so succesfull because it is very good a pleasing a lot of different type of players. PVE players got Raids and dungeons, pple that like PVP have the Arenas and Battlegrounds. Nothing is preventing SE and FFXIV from doing the same and having something for everyone.

So now stop with the treats and trying to show SE that pple will quit FFXIV if it's not FFXI-2 and sit back while the dev team does their job.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-20-2011%29

[Physic]

just going to throw this out there, by making overworld NMs not be claim based, they can, if executed properly actually make the overworld much more engaging then it is now, and than it was in ffxi. A great epic battle that anyone can contribute too, is over all a more entertaining system, and is more likely to make people enjoy the overworld more. Imagine you walk over and see king behemoth attacking a settlement, 6 people are fighting him, imagine you can actually jump in and get credit.
Imagine the type of mechanics you can develop for, when you know everyone can join in. They mentioned monsters summoning other monsters depending on how the people they are fighting are.

Imagine now, that this, king behemoth was attacking the settlement, suddenly 21 people join in to try to smash him. Oh man he was easy mode with 30 people. but right as he dies he summons god behemoth who only comes out if 35 or more people of certain levels was attacking KB.

there is a great amount of very good and interesting possibilities to a games overworld without a rigid claiming system, and you will, and may have already seen peices of this in other games. Whether they execute it well is one story, but in and of itself a no claim system is not inherently evil.

And if they do some type of best player gets drop boost or something similar, you will actually be competing while at the same time working together. There is many ways to go about this. you should probably give suggestions on how to implement some of these things, and hope that they listen

[Jennestia]

So now stop with the treats and trying to show SE that pple will quit FFXIV if it's not FFXI-2 and sit back while the dev team does their job.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...805-20-2011%29

You really need to get over your FFXI-2 paranoia, they're already incorporating features that were present in XI in the exact same concepts as well.

[Visch]

You really need to get over your FFXI-2 paranoia, they're already incorporating features that were present in XI in the exact same concepts as well.

This is what I have to say to you.

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Stop telling people what to do about a game you don't even play and go back to core.

[Onidemon]

You really need to get over your FFXI-2 paranoia, they're already incorporating features that were present in XI in the exact same concepts as well.

And i have nothing against that. It's is ok that take good features from another game and incorporate them. I'm against pple that want EVERYTHING from FFXI, they want this to play, to feel and be FFXI but with better graphics. And if they don't get that or if the game turns out to look like another MMORPG that is not FFXI they start threatening to quit and take all the FFXI fanboys with them.

[Jennestia]

This is what I have to say to you.

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Stop telling people what to do about a game you don't even play and go back to core.

A game I don't play huh? Oh you mean the fact I used my SE account for posting that's linked with my FFXI account which had my beta character for XIV for the bonus item?

And i have nothing against that. It's is ok that take good features from another game and incorporate them. I'm against pple that want EVERYTHING from FFXI, they want this to play, to feel and be FFXI but with better graphics. And if they don't get that or if the game turns out to look like another MMORPG that is not FFXI they start threatening to quit and take all the FFXI fanboys with them.

I've honestly never seen anyone say they want an exact copy of FFXI considering most people agreed they thought SE would take the good from XI and make it better, not throw everything away and release a largely unfinished game that didn't even have the basics that XI even had after 1 update in 2002.

[Onidemon]

A game I don't play huh? Oh you mean the fact I used my SE account for posting that's linked with my FFXI account which had my beta character for XIV for the bonus item?

I think he said that because when clicking your profile it shows all your characters and ranks and your not that more advanced then me and i honestly never ever play. I'm waiting for the game to be more enjoyable so i'll start at 1.19 or even 1.20.

I've honestly never seen anyone say they want an exact copy of FFXI considering most people agreed they thought SE would take the good from XI and make it better, not throw everything away and release a largely unfinished game that didn't even have the basics that XI even had after 1 update in 2002.

Take a 2nd look, there's a ton of threads asking for a copy and paste of FFXI and they claim this is what will save FFXIV. You have to keep in mind that FFXIV is not a sequel nor a replacement for FFXI. Both games are meant to co-exist and i think that the similarities the games have are because SE had the intention of making both games playable together... as in having FFXI and FFXIV players play together in some way. SE mentioned that before they announced FFXIV but that feature obviously went down the toilet.

The only thing that FFXIV should have taken from FFXI is the 8 years of MMO experience they acquired and for some reason they didn't do that. I think that just by looking at that FFXI and FFXIV play together feature, the 2005 footage... to me it looks like they were way too ambitious and ended up having to scrap a lot of their work and start over.

Take some good things from FFXI or rather inspire yourself from these features but don't turn the damn game into a sequel or a clone because then what's the purpose of keeping both games running?

[Shikaree]

I actually like the raid approach. I've played FFXI and I've played WoW. Now I've always been bothered by FFXI's approach with NMs and drops that can be an anyone on the server can claim type of fight, also adding in that some of these NMs carry a heavy respawn timer with them.

Raids are really another form of challenging content without the competition from an outside source. At this point you're only against other members in your group concerning the rights to certain pieces. You're only removing that influence but there's still the difficulty of the challenge so you still have your rights to harder to obtain gear.

"But oh, boo hoo, I like being a special snowflake cause my group claimed it and I got the super special drop and you didn't and you may never see it because it takes forever to respawn and then my group will claim it from you AGAIN!" There are other ways you can make equipment rare. Let's move away from the FFXI approach where someone has to get on at 4 AM in the morning on their time just so they can get that gear from a 20 hour world pop NM or risk the wrath of your linkshell because your life (and sleep) is more important.

The only thing is that SE needs to be more creative in the future when they think up of content to put in. The first 2 raids are okay, but who wants to have everything follow "Do X or Y, defeat Z and beat the clock in the process"?

[Azurymber]

A game I don't play huh? Oh you mean the fact I used my SE account for posting that's linked with my FFXI account which had my beta character for XIV for the bonus item?



I've honestly never seen anyone say they want an exact copy of FFXI considering most people agreed they thought SE would take the good from XI and make it better, not throw everything away and release a largely unfinished game that didn't even have the basics that XI even had after 1 update in 2002.

yeah honestly, a LOT of people want this to become a ffxi clone. While i think ffxi has merit i really don't think this game should just -copy- it. I think it should use the successful concepts in it.

[weeble]

if this claim system is gonna create things like campaign battles or warhammer pq's or gw2 style battles then i'm all for it. didn't think of it that way, that everyone fights the battles together that show up, but i don't think it will mostly be like this in ffxiv.