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  1. #1761
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    I understand new people, and being a lower ilvl... but...

    I was in Haukke HM and we almost ran out of time. Haukke can take like 15 minutes. It shouldn't take 55!! D: We kept wiping on the first boss because the DRG was ignoring adds and poop, and the tank was standing in poop. We get to the final boss eventually and... The DRG was about ilvl 55 and the WAR was ilvl 68 or something? We wiped on the final boss about 5 times or so. A few times because people were ignoring adds or the tank couldn't hold hate, and a few times because we hit the hard enrage timer. I had suspected our DPS was really low because the DRG had like 3.3k HP and the BRD had like 4.3k? Or something? But yeah, I understand people being a low ilvl and such but if you are a DPS you HAVE A ROTATION. You don't just spam 1 attack with the occasional Jump. The BRD was actually really good. The DRG not so much...

    The main nightmare part of it all was the WAR's and DRG's inability to dodge AoEs. There were a lot of deaths and damage that could have been avoided. It only made it worse since I was literally doing the most damage of everyone in the party if I was in CS (since I was the only person in the party over ilvl80), so having to heal so much really hurt our overall DPS.
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  2. #1762
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Ragnarok
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    Probably a lack of dps, not mentionning positionning. I would just take it with a grain of salt. Even if it is an old dungeon, the dps requiered remains high for whoever just ran castrum and finished the story. First time I ran haukke hm was as a summoner, ilvl 55/60 or so. Back then this ilvl was normal gear and among the best. Still i had a very hard time.
    The same issue occured to me on tamtara hm - last boss- With an i80 gear at that time, no matter how hard I tried, I would just fail at killing adds fast enough.
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  3. #1763
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    Saseal's Avatar
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    Saseal Korei
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I was in Haukke HM and we almost ran out of time. Haukke can take like 15 minutes. It shouldn't take 55!! D:.
    ....
    You don't just spam 1 attack with the occasional Jump.
    *twitch* That's..... terrible.... D: /soothe ....was the one attack at least Heavy Thrust...? lol
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  4. #1764
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    *twitch* That's..... terrible.... D: /soothe ....was the one attack at least Heavy Thrust...? lol
    I checked DRG skills to make sure.

    It was Impulse Drive. I don't think there is a worse move to spam on a DRG. Edit: Except maybe Vorpal Thrust.
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    Last edited by VanilleFang; 05-06-2015 at 11:09 AM.

  5. #1765
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    EmeraldAres's Avatar
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    Emerald Ares
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    Excalibur
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    Today has been a little interesting so far. No wipes on anything, but the level of obliviousness has been really high.

    Syrcus Tower. Run is going okay, but a dragoon seems to be intentionally starting every pull and things are a little shaky threat wise. Second boss: 2-3 people die to the boss' reflect instead of helping defeat the 3 robots, then someone goes "thanks heals <3." Really dislike sarcastic people who blame me for their own deaths, but whatever. I decide to be the better person and carry on instead of ditching the group. After we finish, I end up getting two commendations. I can only assume that someone else in the group realized how idiotic that comment was.

    Amdapor Keep HM. Tank is new, says as much, fine. Pulls two condors with the plant. I do two holys, get permanent threat, die from not expecting this. I say that I'll play more defensively. For most of the run, I stick to healing and stones, still using holy when it's effective but being careful because this guy's threat is really weak. Even the required healing to keep everyone up is almost pulling threat and I sometimes get an enemy or two for a few seconds. I pace myself, dpsing only when something is nearly dead or I know for sure I won't rip threat.

    First boss, the guy on the horse. I admit to not explaining it, but mostly because they ran in immediately before I could. Tank and dragoon die once each to targeted laser, dragoon wastes a statue when targeted for charge. We still win and don't wipe. No comment from anyone, they rush forward immediately.

    Run continues as normal, large but slow pulls because the tank is pulling up to the foxgloves but can't put out enough threat/mitigation for me to comfortably holy without getting everything and/or losing him.

    We get to boogyman. Once again, they enter too fast for an explanation. The zombie adds nearly kill me. They let the big add explode, which we only survive because I anticipated it and went healing crazy. Rip some zombies with that save, they get them off, tank gets entranced, boss hits me a couple times, then things settle down and we win.

    Demon wall room. The trash is a bit slower because I have to hold back a bit and the tank eats a dark mist fear attack. We still make it through with 5 seconds to spare, even with aggro bouncing, because I heal whoever has it including myself so we don't have to run back for the bloodlappers or anything.

    Final boss. Tank congratulates the dps only and doesn't mention me. Dps congratulate tank back and also don't mention me. Fine, I don't need praise, but it seems kind of weird after all the compensation I have been doing. Boss goes normally for the most part, tank and dps congratulate each other at the end. Just out of curiosity, I look at the log as I exit the dungeon. 0 commends.

    I don't know if they thought I was bad because I died at the beginning or didn't holy a lot or what. But I couldn't, or I would have spent the whole run tanking or with my face in the dirt. It wasn't the kind of situation where the holy stun alone would have bought me enough time to survive the incoming threat. I just found the whole affair really strange, riding yellow or orange threat frequently and basically being considered the weak link by the rest of the group. Anyone else run into a situation like that lately?
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  6. #1766
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Estellise Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldAres View Post
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    Yeah. I don't know what's been going on lately. I've been noticing a lot of poor tanks running around, and lazy players who don't bother dodging AoEs. I know these have always been a thing but it seems to be more common lately... Also has anyone else noticed it's been taking longer than usual to get into dungeons? Or is that just me?

    That story is really strange though. They probably didn't really know what was going on and just assumed it was on you, which is completely unfair. If you see mobs being pulled by a healer you should watch what they are doing. If they aren't spamming spells then there's obviously an issue with the tank. There's no reason you should be pulling hate like that unless the tank doesn't understand their enmity rotation.
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  7. #1767
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    MXMoondoggie's Avatar
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    Pikarin Makai
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EmeraldAres View Post
    Final boss. Tank congratulates the dps only and doesn't mention me. Dps congratulate tank back and also don't mention me. Fine, I don't need praise, but it seems kind of weird after all the compensation I have been doing. Boss goes normally for the most part, tank and dps congratulate each other at the end. Just out of curiosity, I look at the log as I exit the dungeon. 0 commends.

    I don't know if they thought I was bad because I died at the beginning or didn't holy a lot or what. But I couldn't, or I would have spent the whole run tanking or with my face in the dirt. It wasn't the kind of situation where the holy stun alone would have bought me enough time to survive the incoming threat. I just found the whole affair really strange, riding yellow or orange threat frequently and basically being considered the weak link by the rest of the group. Anyone else run into a situation like that lately?
    All the time. A Healer's job is a relatively thankless one i find i get most commendations in lower level stuff but if you are playing for a commendation or a pat on the back you are probably playing the wrong class. You are more likely to get commendations from people who main a Healer because they get the position you are in with a weak Tank you can barely do anything. There is also a stigma in the game that Healing is easy so people tend to look down on you if anything goes wrong. People always have much more to say when things go wrong than when they go right.

    Also i find commendations weird in general it feels like a lot of people just give them out randomly. Had runs where i was poor and made mistakes and i get 6 of them and then a run where i carry the group and they only finished because i over healed and chain ressed the other Healer and i get zero. Not even a "well done" XD.
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    Last edited by MXMoondoggie; 05-06-2015 at 10:31 PM.

  8. #1768
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    It was Impulse Drive.
    That DRG lvled through FATEs... no doubt of that...
    Impulse Drive is the ONLY skill worth using for attack from lvl 8 to 25...

    So if they ever went to a dun on those levels, thats the skill you'll see them spam... as for what was an ilvl 55 DRG still doing that in Haukke HM even if they FATE powerleveled... its a mystery to me... but can happen...
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  9. #1769
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    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
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    I have more than enough commendations and normally don't care about them, I just used them in this particular story to try and further illustrate the obliviousness of the tank and damage dealers in that AK. It seemed odd for the rest of the group to purposely only congratulate everyone else, suggesting a lack of awareness of what was actually happening. You're absolutely correct though, they aren't really an indication of what a person actually thinks about skill levels and the like. I've also had cases of being recognized when I screw up and ignored when I save people. Some players commend others for weird reasons like their names or skip the process entirely, especially light farmers. I have done enough trial roulettes to basically expect 0 or maybe 1 after a given Garuda HM in a light window, simply because people want to be in and out as fast as possible.
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  10. #1770
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MXMoondoggie View Post
    Also i find commendations weird in general it feels like a lot of people just give them out randomly. Had runs where i was poor and made mistakes and i get 6 of them and then a run where i carry the group and they only finished because i over healed and chain ressed the other Healer and i get zero. Not even a "well done" XD.
    I don't particularly care about them (I know it rewards something), but I do take screenshots when I get 3 from a Extreme Roulette.


    I always give it to the tank if they're stunning bosses and holding aggro. In 8-man's I usually give it to the main tank, off tank or other healer, depending on who does their job better.

    There is almost no reason to give it to a DPS, unless they're the one who actually knows the fight (A friend got 3 on a Dragoon in Stone Vigil)
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    Last edited by KisaiTenshi; 05-07-2015 at 10:51 AM.

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