Petition for removal of Vote Abandon

[Zophar]

Seriously, the time limit is not that long to begin with. It should be if you join DF you should plan to stay the whole time. There should be no vote abandon or kicking. The game should kick people afk and if you leave you get timed out. These fights are not that difficult and any party can win in the time limit.

Obviously you've never found yourself in a party, where the dps were so undergeared, that it was literally, LITERALLY impossible to clear the dps check. By your logic, we should fight an unwinnable fight until the time runs out? It may be a system that has potential for abuse. But then, just about anything is. It doesn't make it inherently evil.

[Mastanight]

Every DF battle has a ilvl restriction so if your able to enter it must be possible. If it is not possible to clear in the time limit then it can be used for practice. Not every fight has to be a one shot clear, if it was it be pretty boring, so stop making excuses for people that like to quit.

[Kuwaitum]

If you get into duty with people barely have the required iLevel, lets assume Levianthan Extreme. a 60 minutes duty.

Your party fails repeatedly, due to lack of DPS power or healers die or falling in the sea. You know and many know that this won't clear even if you sit till last minute.

With all my respect, you might have the time to sit and try for a clear for full 60 minutes till last second, but many people want to have a 10 minute clear and enjoy the other 50 minutes doing something else. If the Abondon duty is removes you'll enforce the people to get the penality, in addition due to lack of Tanks.. if you force the tank to leave (add a 30 minutes penalty) you are reducing number of tanks in this case.. Deprive DPS and other runs from getting this tank.

Abondon vote is a majority vote, if passed passed, if not it will continue. There are good days and bad days, and as I say in my runs when 50% of time elapsed with a bad party:

"IMHO, 50% of time is fair amount of time for a learner's party, I know you aim for a clear but I also have limited time to play this game. Not every run is a clear, and not every 1st run should be a clear. Please pass the abondon. Thank you for your efforts and best of luck"

if it didn't pass, I leave.. and use the 30 penalty minute to read a book, watch anime or craft/gather. Because I know that run is a 100% failure.

[Sida]

Another thing to consider, broken gear. You can pass iLvl check with flying colors even if all your gear is on red. And even if it wasn't on entering, multiple attempts and dying tends to wear it off rapidly. If the level of the group was barely passable in the first place, and things still keep failing, it doesn't exactly improve when the gear wears put. Been in the situation, we took vote abandon to mend when about everyone started to be on red.

[Espritduo]

I actually agree with the OP. I hate Vote Abandon. I've never initiated vote abandon in a duty in DF, and I've never agreed to one and I've never saw the reason for any that have gone through. I stick with whatever group I get to the bitter end, and we have salvaged victories on the last attempt with five minutes or less left many many times, after many many people have left and more than a few vote abandons have been shut down. I've never found myself in a truly hopeless party, and even when I personally think the group will probably quit/time out before clearing I still stick around because experience doing the content (both for me and the new players) is a valuable thing and I always try to give new players as much time in the instance as they're willing to take.

I get kicked out of perfectly good duties all the time because of it everyday though, and it drives me insane. What many people in this thread fail to realize is that what is happening most of the time is some jerky self-entitled player is initiating it when things are just a little shaky but more than salvageable, and the others, being the sheep that most people are, simply click "Yes" because they assume there must be some reason for it and click "Yes" on anything that pops up. This is how most kicks go through as well.

You say people who don't want to be there shouldn't be held hostage. They're not. Don't wanna be there? Then leave and eat your piddling, meaningless 30 minute penalty, and don't try to take everyone else with you. It's rude. The person who feels like they're being held hostage is the one who waits 45 minutes to get a shot at something, then is forced out of the instance because one guy decided it wasn't happening and enough sheep clicked Yes.

Vote Abandon should be unanimous. Or it shouldn't be allowed at all until the 10-minute warning and the group has given the content a fair shot. Or it should just not be there. It's served no good purpose in any DF group I've ever been in and I do most content through DF. If you don't like the way an instance is running, you leave or you kick the problem. When these options already exist for the player the only thing Vote Abandon accomplishes is forcing out the people who want to stay against their will. Vote Abandon is, as someone here said, the nuclear option. It's the last resort of last resorts, and should be treated as such.

[Zophar]

Every DF battle has a ilvl restriction so if your able to enter it must be possible. If it is not possible to clear in the time limit then it can be used for practice. Not every fight has to be a one shot clear, if it was it be pretty boring, so stop making excuses for people that like to quit.

Try going into one of those fights everybody at "minimum required item level" You tell me how it goes. Can it be won at minimum item level, probably yes, by a group of highly skilled players who know how to maximize dps and not make any careless mistakes. By the majority of lazy casual screw ups in this game? Fat. Chance. And in any case, there are many other times vote abandon is worth it. Griefer parties in Crystal Tower are a good one that comes to mind. How about when the dungeon bugs and becomes literally impossible to complete. You can call a GM, yes, but likely, you'll have timed out before they get back to you.

[Zophar]

Vote Abandon should be unanimous. Or it shouldn't be allowed at all until the 10-minute warning and the group has given the content a fair shot.

So, just to be totally clear, what you're saying is, hypothetically, if you're in an instance, and all 7 people, or in CT, all other 23 people want to leave, since you don't want to, all other peole should be forced to stay or take a 30 min penalty because of you, and you are calling people who vote abandon selfish? Wow. Just wow.

Tell you what. I have a fix that is fair to everybody! Let's get rid of Vote Abandon so that people who don't want it will be happy, and let's also get rid of the penalty for leaving, so people who don't want to stay will be happy? See? It's fair to EVERYBODY. Doesn't that sound like a magical wonderful world you would love to live in?

[StouterTaru]

Anytime someone calls someone else selfish it makes me chuckle.

If you are so butthurt that you are calling someone names, you're just as selfish for wanting it to be another way.

[Zophar]

Not calling names. Just laying out the facts as they are. If I were to call him an idiot, that would be name calling. Calling him selfish, particularly when there is an abundance of evidence, is just summing up his opinion.

[Kuwaitum]

Tell you what. I have a fix that is fair to everybody! Let's get rid of Vote Abandon so that people who don't want it will be happy, and let's also get rid of the penalty for leaving, so people who don't want to stay will be happy? See? It's fair to EVERYBODY. Doesn't that sound like a magical wonderful world you would love to live in?

I am with Zophar 100%, if you want to remove Abondon, remove the penalty as well. I would really want to see the situation then