Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[LTEvil]

No love for Y'da and Papalymo here I see...

Oh sorry lol I totally missed that.

[Magusrex]

What is your problem? Seriously, you need to just accept that not everyone learns like you do and no amount of replies is going to make me agree with you (especially when you repeatedly call me a liar, seriously, you're beyond rude). Go foul up someone else's mood with your toxicity.

That is precisely what I expected no links, no explanation why the information can't help because it actually does.

[Morzy]

I agree, to a degree.

I myself am what a good friend calls a "casual elitist". I care about my progression, I do my own thing, I'm good at doing what I do because I have confidence in my abilities, my job... But I don't ride around on my horse and stampede people into the dirt, I do my best and help where I can. I don't show off my gear, I don't wave around my ilvl like it really matters(because it doesn't), I don't brag about my secret rotation that makes me better than you or any other MNK.... I just hang out with a few friends and try to enjoy this game for what it is and not what the community seems to be turning it into.

There is nothing wrong with labeling yourself as a good player, because people like others that really know how to help out in this game where the community seems just so crappy and inconsiderate. It's when you label yourself as a better player and run around with a cocky and arrogant attitude that really just does not sit well with others that only want help.


Edit: What I do not agree on is calling people out for not watching a video. I mean come on, it should not be a norm for new players to watch guides, because we should be the ones helping them from the start, a responsibility some of us ignore as a community.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Edit: What I do not agree on is calling people out for not watching a video. I mean come on, it should not be a norm for new players to watch guides, because we should be the ones helping them from the start, a responsibility some of us ignore as a community.

Err, no no. That's not a responsibility we should have to take up on. It isn't ou-...

Oops. Wasn't supposed to respond anymore. :x

[Ashkendor]

Edit: What I do not agree on is calling people out for not watching a video. I mean come on, it should not be a norm for new players to watch guides, because we should be the ones helping them from the start, a responsibility some of us ignore as a community.

See, I don't understand this mentality. Why is it a veteran player's responsibility to give the whole kit and kaboodle rather than a newer player's responsibility to do some preliminary research? If a veteran player puts together a party specifically to farm equipment and only wants experienced people in it, they are suddenly elitist and entitled (complete with self-righteous sneer) for simply wanting to play the game their way. They want quick clears in rapid succession because they want those monk gloves from T11 (that damn dragon will give them to me someday, I swear). If a completely inexperienced player wants to "play the game their way" by sneaking into someone's farm party and basically completely sabotaging their group, that's supposed to be OK? We're supposed to just say, "Oh, you!" and carry them, I guess? Why is there such a double standard here? Why is it so hard for people to understand that many of these raids take practice and skill and you can't just plow blindly into them with no knowledge whatsoever and actually get a legitimate clear (i.e. one where you aren't dead the whole time)? This isn't Garuda Hard Mode, people.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy helping people learn. I understand that many mechanics require some practical hands-on experience to get the timing down on, not to mention some can be confusing until you actually see them in action. In fact, I don't learn very well from videos myself. I do, however, go watch the videos so I at least know the names of the mechanics and what to expect, even if I don't remember precisely the order that things happen in. Going into a fight without even basic rudimentary knowledge of what's going to happen is basically a liability for the rest of your party unless 1) it's brand new content that everyone is still figuring out, or 2) it's a learning party where all eight people have agreed that they're going to go in completely blind and figure it out themselves.

[Magusrex]

Edit: What I do not agree on is calling people out for not watching a video. I mean come on, it should not be a norm for new players to watch guides, because we should be the ones helping them from the start, a responsibility some of us ignore as a community.

The only people I would call out for not watching a video are those that have a hard time with new content. If your groups wipe often and it takes you a number of tries to get something down, you should watch a video because it is polite to the people you are grouping with. If you are the type of person that I can tell you the key points of a fight and your learnign curve is fairly quick, don't watch anything just be sure to let us know you are new.

[GenJoe]

See, I don't understand this mentality. Why is it a veteran player's responsibility to give the whole kit and kaboodle rather than a newer player's responsibility to do some preliminary research? If a veteran player puts together a party specifically to farm equipment. . . They want quick clears in rapid succession. . .

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy helping people learn.

That's precisely the problem, most people don't understand where you're coming from.

Hell, I'm willing to bet it's people like you, who are in so deep into farming groups that are more willing than anybody else to HELP NOOBS to clear the content because that makes a potential party member next time you make a farm group.. It's people who're constantly farming the same crap over and over and over again that WANT more people to be eligible in the dungeon, so I can see you helping with T10 clears because you NEED them to join you on your T11 farm parties..
and yet, people say you're impatient because you're not willing to put in hours of effort in futility.. They call you an elitist because they don't agree with your assessment when a person is beyond your help.. They call you a coward when you say this group can't get it done

WHY? Just because you've been there, done that, and you already know what shit looks like without having to poke it with a stick??
Must you walk up to a pile and take a whiff to know what it is for the umpteenth time?? NO! YOU DO NOT!! Let the persistent/idiots/optimists whatever you want to call it, let THEM try carrying noobs for 20th, 30th, 40th time and see what conclusion they come to.

[Intaki]

Why is it a veteran player's responsibility to give the whole kit and kaboodle rather than a newer player's responsibility to do some preliminary research?

I forget, which help box is it that directs new players on where to go to "research" the game?

Like, you do realize that it's a pretty significant minority of players that even knows outside information and game guides exist, right? This forum included.

[Tiggy]

Hell, I'm willing to bet it's people like you, who are in so deep into farming groups that are more willing than anybody else to HELP NOOBS to clear the content because that makes a potential party member next time you make a farm group..

This is quite literally one of the reasons I love helping people. It creates more potential people to go farming with. It helps everyone in the long run.

I forget, which help box is it that directs new players on where to go to "research" the game?

While I know you were being facetious there are actually a few instances where the game has directed you to outside resources. Some were part of the relic quest and the triple triad if I remember correctly. So while it may not have done so for a battle to sit here and act like the game have never pointed you to external resources ever is flat out incorrect.

Like, you do realize that it's a pretty significant minority of players that even knows outside information and game guides exist, right? This forum included.

So you expect us to believe that people don't know how the internet works? That they don't know it's a massive treasure trove of data relevant to all kinds of topics? Do you really expect us to believe it's unreasonable to even try googling things when google is an accepted word in the oxford dictionary because googling things is so common? Are you really trying to argue that people are that ignorant of the biggest invention of the last 100 years and how to use it when most of us literally carry direct access to it in our pockets?

Just wow man. That's a massive level of ignorance you expect us to believe. Even elementary school students know how to google almost any topic in the world. If someone doesn't google something on the internet it isn't because they don't know it's there. It's because they've never even tried, or literally don't have internet access to do so and anyone playing an MMO clearly doesn't have that problem. Which instantly makes it relevant to the whole thread where many people have pointed out that they are tired of carrying people who clearly aren't trying.

Your reasoning has left me quite literally flabbergasted.

[GenJoe]

I forget, which help box is it that directs new players on where to go to "research" the game?

Like, you do realize that it's a pretty significant minority of players that even knows outside information and game guides exist, right? This forum included.

Come on, the only valid excuse to having not watched a video is that it's your preferred style of playing.. i.e you like blind encounters. If that's the case, then you should take that into account and just prepare yourself to deal with a bunch of angry people unless you're in a learning party..

All the other cases you bring up, i.e. Ignorance, does not make a legitimate excuse.

Do you honestly think anybody who's tackling coils, turn 9, 10, or 11 have NEVER heard about xivdb or gamerescape?? Even PS4 has a youtube plugin now.. there is simply no excuse for knowing so little unless you're intentionally limiting yourself to avoid spoilers.

This is akin to an argument regarding WoW and addons.. Are there people that get into raids without DBM and all the other raid addons? I'm sure there are a few people that do, some people don't even use ANY addons.. and they usually end up getting kicked for being unprepared. When 7 other people have put in hours of preparation into the content you're about to tackle, and you walk in with nothing but your keyboard in hand, people WILL be angry with you.

This is no child left behind all over again... I'm not going to take Algebra I as a high school senior just because there are some people who failed it 3 times... What you're asking us to do, is exactly that.