Think before you join someone's clear party.

[Delsus]

The term "clear party is an ambiguous term, are you looking for people who have already cleared 100 times? or people who have had 3 clears, obviously the person with 3 clear can still make mistakes. What about the people who have bought or otherwise been carried through. They will die to the simpler mechanics, they might think they can run the content when they can't because they have already beaten it.

There is so much complaining about this, but PF from what I see are too ambiguous. when they say for example previous clears only, no soldiery bonus or experienced players only, you can get people who see those as one clear rules as they have a clear, they aren't showing soldiery bonus and they could say they have experience of all phases.

Before people complain at this they should start with much more specific descriptions like how many previous clears you think means an experienced player, and whether you can beat phases without dying and more importantly if you know how to handle oneshot mechanics.

[Gardes]

Four hours sitting in PF with a Turn 7 learning party flag and having the party flux between 2-6 people at any given time for me. But I guess I should bother people by shouting every 30s-1m in Mor Dhona or I'm not trying hard enough. -shurgs-

Go ahead and be sarcastic all you want but it's curious that you feel that the next option is shouting for strangers instead of your own FC. Even more odd, considering you're in balmung, the RP server. One would think all that chatting and socializing that balmung is famous for would make you some friends, especially in your own FC but apparently not.

[Nel_Celestine]

Go ahead and be sarcastic all you want but it's curious that you feel that the next option is shouting for strangers instead of your own FC. Even more odd, considering you're in balmung, the RP server. One would think all that chatting and socializing that balmung is famous for would make you some friends, especially in your own FC but apparently not.

not everyone in my FC is on at the same time, nor does everyone on Balmung raid. Those that do have been in FCOB since very early on and even after the lockout was removed that ALL people on this server shout for or PF for that isn't about selling runs. So I guess since my work hours and most of my FC members don't meet up all the time I should quit my job to show my sincerity for wanting to clear game content with FC members. Got it.


Edit: For the record, I would prefer to run with FC members over randoms if given the choice, but my FC is small and most are west coast or EU so times don't line up. I'm getting increasingly frustrated by the simple fact that there is almost always 1-3 people in DF or PF that don't know how to turn away when they have voice on and seem to almost relish in ruining a run.

[Gardes]

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My FC seems to be about as small as yours, if the actual active members are only about 1/4 of the listed membership. Otherwise we're even smaller than your FC. Mostly EST based but we have one player who not only is on PST but is also on super erratic schedule and logs in when people are done for the day. My current FC is going pretty dead right now (like 5 online at peak times daily) since half of the only group in the fc that goes to fcob unsubbed for a break until HW but we managed to still help this guy out with clearing t10-t12 when the stars align and both him and the fc are active at the same time. Pretty sure we helped him with t5-t9 too.

Now this may offend you quite again but is your FC even thinking about you? When you ask for help and they can't at that moment but will think about it later, do they really mean it?

[Nel_Celestine]

Now this may offend you quite again but is your FC even thinking about you? When you ask for help and they can't at that moment but will think about it later, do they really mean it?

I doesn't offend me at all, yes they do help when they are online and such it's just the issue of people being online. And the FC is actually only about 9-10 people and a bunch of alts.

[gorezilla1]

I agree with OP. I used to join a lot of clear parties before, but the consistent dishonesty of people is a massive turn-off. To those who keep making clear parties I have one piece of advice however: Do not disband if only 1 or 2 people keep wiping you. Explain nicely to them how they need to improve, and then replace them. Keep doing so and you might even form a FCoB static. I know people shirk from confrontation. It's the reason people would rather disband than kick. I'm not saying be a dick, but be real with them. Back in 2.0, I was stuck on Titan HM for about 2-3 weeks. I used to join parties and then they'd disband or I'd disband my party. One night, I was determined to get my clear so I just kept rotating people out. It took almost 3 hours, but I've never loved another 7 people more than I loved the people who cleared it with me.

[Elazu]

What I saw, however, was i130/i135weapon DPS so slow I think whacking the boss with my staff as white mage would produce higher DPS (We refer to them as Poetic Warriors or Poetic Princesses on our server lol)..

Ha, we call them Tomestone Heroes!

[Sapphic]

Four hours sitting in PF with a Turn 7 learning party flag and having the party flux between 2-6 people at any given time for me. But I guess I should bother people by shouting every 30s-1m in Mor Dhona or I'm not trying hard enough. -shurgs-

Friend list those who join, or make a LS before and invite them to it. Keep doing that until you have enough people covering all roles and then organise a day/time you are all on at the same time, party up, enter the duty, practice, profit.

Then each week discuss what days everyone is available, mark those times for practice/progression and there, you have the groundwork for a static.#

[Brill_]

Practice/Progression[/B] parties are for people who have gotten down a portion of a fight and are looking to learn the parts after that point.
Clear parties are for people who believe that they have the ability to clear the fight in 1 or 2 tries.
Farm parties are for people who believe that they can consistently clear a fight multiple times in a row.

It is extremely irritating for the other people in the party when you clearly don't know the fight and try to sneak in. Don't do it. Totally back you up, OP.

That goes both ways. I've been trying to get T9 learning parties together and I keep getting people that rage quit after 1 wipe and yell at people for not being perfect.

People with no experience should stay out of clear parties.
People with no tolerance for mistakes or are unwilling to help should stay out of learning parties.

[Purrfectstorm]

"Poetic Princess" here. I want to start by saying that I think such terms are derogatory. I got a lot of flak for a post I made recently about elitism, but it seems to me that this community has turned the term "elitist" on its head. The only definition of elitist most of you will accept is: "someone with a jerk attitude who looks down on other people." Then you define someone who values effort this way. Meanwhile, you yourselves call people names like "Poetic Princess" and "Tomestone Hero."

This makes no sense to me.

1) The people who do this are hypocrites: "Don't look down on me but I'll look down on you."

2) They create lose-lose scenarios for others: "We want you to be geared for Coil but we'll ridicule you if you don't have Coil gear."

3) They create lose-lose scenarios for themselves: "We want groups that try but we'll ridicule up and comers along the way until they give up."

4) They make attribution errors: "If I do well, it's because of skill. If you do well, it's because you were carried. If I do poorly, it's because of lag. If you do poorly, it's because you're garbage."

5) They think everyone has equal opportunity: "Just play with 7 skilled friends many hours per day. Why you no do dis?"

6) They forget winning is a team effort: "My gear proves that I am great. Your gear proves that you suck."

7) They discount loot drops: "Even though there are players that have run this content many dozens of times with no drop, the reason you don't have that drop is that you suck."

8) They have an egocentric way of seeing the world: "Content is easy because I find it easy. I don't have trouble seeing Shiva's AOEs so you must not have trouble seeing Shiva's AOEs. We have the exact same eyesight, hearing, reflexes, and muscle memory (even though I've done the content 100s of times and you haven't)."