Think before you join someone's clear party.

[Elusana_Celah]

Over the last couple weeks I've been joining T9 clears to try to help people out. These parties specifically state CLEAR and that you must know all phases or exp in the whole fight.

What I saw, however, was i130/i135weapon DPS so slow I think whacking the boss with my staff as white mage would produce higher DPS (We refer to them as Poetic Warriors or Poetic Princesses on our server lol). DPS dead to very simple mechanics. Raid wipes to meteors, thunders on parties, fire outs going fire in. Divebomb marked people tunnel visioning and not moving or moving to the wrong mark.

There's not usually (but there is sometimes) an apology from these people to at least let us know that they understand they messed up and will correct it. (I do this all the time because we're all humans and we can make mistakes.)

We are then met with repeated messups of the same mechanics they should know if they are ready to clear it... things that are as basic as phase 1 boss stuff.

People... there are learning and practice parties for this content appearing on my server a lot. And, if there is NOT learning or practice parties, you can make one during peak hours and surely people like me will join to help out.

I watched people who deserved to be in FCoB being completely denied their clear because players who need a practice party and doing their practicing in a clear party instead. We have to disband cuz it becomes impossible since there are TOO MANY players who cannot perform to clear levels.

Sure, this is great news for sell groups, but this is also the kind of stuff that'll make someone uninstall and cancel their subscription because it's simply not fun and too frustrating for players who want to progress through raid content.

I also had the same struggles as these players trying to clear my stuff. You can socialize, make friends and spend a great deal of time finding the ideal candidates to help you with your clear and that is how I got my clears. However... why must it be this difficult for people to find players to clear content with. If someone has spent the time to learn and is ready to clear, why must unqualified players continue to join his or her party ruining his/her gaming experience by denying that person their deserved clear?

I guess my experiences over the last couple weeks made me really think about this again and how awful it is. This isn't content that you can be easily carried through unless RNG doesn't choose the unskilled players for divebomb markings or elements... lol

However... I wonder if SE's game design that makes it so one person is not allowed to make a mistake or the whole raid suffers is just... bad game design? It's fun as heck for me to beat a fight that challenged me to not mess up and I play white mage so I have even more pressure not to mess up. But when you don't have enough friends to help you through something and you gotta rely on the general public... whoo boy..

[Hypnotic13371337]

how about you tell this to the people that your aiming this towards instead of a bunch of people not even on your server

[Elusana_Celah]

how about you tell this to the people that your aiming this towards instead of a bunch of people not even on your server

It was meant to be a general announcement and if this doesn't happen on your server you could simply say, "Hey E'lusana, people on my server never join clear or farm parties unless they are sure they will not be the reason the raid doesn't succeed". I am interested in people's ideas, that's why I post on a general forum instead of talking about it to my personal friends.

[Saccharin]

It was meant to be a general announcement

It's you being a 'jerk'. Simple as that.

[Gardes]

However... I wonder if SE's game design that makes it so one person is not allowed to make a mistake or the whole raid suffers is just... bad game design? It's fun as heck for me to beat a fight that challenged me to not mess up and I play white mage so I have even more pressure not to mess up. But when you don't have enough friends to help you through something and you gotta rely on the general public... whoo boy..

Nah. It's a people problem, not the system. The fight doesn't constantly threat you with instant party wipes (otherwise if the tank fails to mitigate a ravensbeak, he will just explode and kill the entire party with him, if a dps fails to run out of dynamo, he will just explode and kill the entire party with him, etc) They only serve you that on certain spots of the fight. It's not that harsh of a 'request' from the game to the players. However, some people would rather twist that fact and whine about it and refuse to play ball. It's about as crazy as going to a theme park and going on a dangerous thrill ride and giving the attendant the middle finger when they try to put the safeties on you and then turning around to sue the theme park. imo.

[StouterTaru]

Clear parties always make me laugh. It's like saying "let's farm this, but only do it once, and I haven't beat it before, but I expect everyone else to do perfectly."

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Clear parties always make me laugh. It's like saying "let's farm this, but only do it once, and I haven't beat it before, but I expect everyone else to do perfectly."

It's a way to ask for a carry, though. "(Cloud Sephiroth): OOPS, I DIED BY ACCIDENT! you can do it, guys!!!" several minutes later, and maybe, some wipes after "<<Cloud Sephiroth earns the achievement In Another Bind I>>".

I've made plenty of clear groups for T9, however they failed horribly because we had unexperienced players joining in and killing the purpose of that group, when I clearly stated it was a "experienced only, people with clears and on farm status onry". Don't make me waste my time, if I realize you're new because you're messing up over and over, I have a foot for that butt. With that said, I wouldn't blame the game's design. There're content that is not designed for certain type of players, but still, they want to clear it. Either buy it or go make a learning/progression group on your own. Others mistake the difficutly of the content and think they can faceroll it. I'm not saying it's for super l33ts, but for several reasons, it's not for everyone.

Yeah, I know, you pay for a sub like everybody here... but it doesn't mean you HAVE to beat X content. If you can't, get better and try again. If you truly can't, maybe that content is not for you. I bet SE is not aiming for EVERYBODY to get through Coil but a majority of players. If they didn't make any adjustment to T5; 9 and 13, it's because they're pleased with the actual clear ratio.

[Itseotle]

It's a way to ask for a carry, though. "(Cloud Sephiroth): OOPS, I DIED BY ACCIDENT! you can do it, guys!!!" several minutes later, and maybe, some wipes after "<<Cloud Sephiroth earns the achievement In Another Bind I>>".

I saw this a lot yesterday while trying to get my friend his first T10 clear. There where 5 of us who had cleared T13, my friend who was on TS so was executing mechanics 90% correctly, and 2 pug dps, one of which needed clear as well. Np all cool we get it to 5% first pull, but we later discovered that was only due in part because the pug NIN got super lucky and had to deal with NO mechanics. So few wipes later and we start teaching the guy about what to do for tethers and purple marker and he gets all defensive "I know what I'm doing unlike [your friend] with his i100 weapon" *rolls eyes*

About an hour later the PUG is getting so frustraited he can't execute mechanics he just starts suiciding into the lightning fields everytime he gets marked. Those of us that know T10 know that only makes things worse... lol

[Anarnee]

Clear parties always make me laugh. It's like saying "let's farm this, but only do it once, and I haven't beat it before, but I expect everyone else to do perfectly."

That's not always the case. I make clear parties for my alts to get them through content I've done before.

[Ashkendor]

Clear parties always make me laugh. It's like saying "let's farm this, but only do it once, and I haven't beat it before, but I expect everyone else to do perfectly."

No, it's one person that feels they are ready to clear looking for seven other people that are willing to help. A lot of times the hardest part of clearing a raid is finding seven other people that are able to clear the raid. Plenty of clear runs that I've been in have done well enough that they turn into farm runs after, usually to the tune of 3-5 clears.

It's you being a 'jerk'. Simple as that.

She didn't call anyone out specifically, and her post is well written and fairly polite. I don't see how she's being a jerk at all. I agree with the OP, actually. I've been in both clear and farm runs that suffer from this. You have seven people that are there for quick clears and one person that in a lot of cases hasn't even watched a video. Sneaking into a party to get your clear without any knowledge of the fight whatsoever is just making yourself into a liability and is most likely going to end in you getting kicked and blacklisted. If you want to learn, make a party to learn. If you're looking for a carry, go buy a clear; plenty of people sell runs. Don't sabotage someone else's clear attempt in the process.