Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Purrfectstorm]

@Davester:
What other options did/do I have then? I went with one friend - more were either busy or offline. I had a PF up before too and what I think of guides is what I've said above.
I think DF is meant to be used to go in a fight if you can't get a (full) group beforehand. I want to learn that fight but with people leaving fast or not joining at all that's not an easy thing to do.

I like that "wasting other people's time" thing. Imho there are people out there who would consider playing games/MMOs as a waste of time...

By the way, I also think it is a matter of wording too. I accept it when others don't want to play with first timers through DF, but getting nasty about it? Please no.

It might help to think about it another way. Instead of "wasting other people's time" it's "fun" vs. "unfun." Yes, games are a waste of time in one sense, but at least they're fun, right? Unless you have to wait for one person to get their act together with the mechanics. I mean, this is fine, sometimes. But as content becomes dated, more and more people will have experiences where people know what they're doing. Because of these experiences, people will come to expect people to know what they're doing. If they get into a group where someone doesn't know what they're doing, it is really a lot easier to leave, take a penalty, and requeue than to spend an hour hoping the mechanics click for the one person who doesn't know what they're doing.

[Sapphic]

It might help to think about it another way. Instead of "wasting other people's time" it's "fun" vs. "unfun." Yes, games are a waste of time in one sense, but at least they're fun, right? Unless you have to wait for one person to get their act together with the mechanics. I mean, this is fine, sometimes. But as content becomes dated, more and more people will have experiences where people know what they're doing. Because of these experiences, people will come to expect people to know what they're doing. If they get into a group where someone doesn't know what they're doing, it is really a lot easier to leave, take a penalty, and requeue than to spend an hour hoping the mechanics click for the one person who doesn't know what they're doing.

That's the thing, Coris is wanting others to take their situation into consideration without anything in return, which, tbh, is selfish.

Also Coris, how long do you think it took even statics to learn and clear turn 9 from scratch? one complete run? nope. Weeks of running with the exact same players and figuring out, practising and progressing a phase at a time. It takes time and effort to learn going into a brand new fight. Also you cannot get that experience going in with experienced players and expecting to learn it blind as they knowledge of the fight is already there, the experience of clearing it is already there with many, yet not with you. You bring nothing to the party that they wouldnt be better off having someone else who is at least, in theory due to reading guides, at a similar level of knowedge. Note I said knowledge, not experience.

If you want to get the going in blind experience and learning from scratch then you need to find 7 other similar players and take it from there.