Coeurl & Heavensward

[ClaireAbigail]

@op of course I'll sound harsh. I don't mean to but I have 0 reasons to sugarcoat anything I say. There is a problem in our server, the first step of solving a problem is realizing there is one. We need to be straight up and honest instead of beating around the bush and hoping people would understand. Can I be helpful? Of course! I've helped a lot more people than I care to count. I give out free hq potent poisoning pots to my fc and people I raid with. I give out free black truffle risottos, I craft and meld for free and I even use my own materials. My own little way of helping the server.

About attacking people, a lot of those people are trolls, refused to be helped, equal asshats and so on. I do come out as harsh but I'm honest. I'll tell you what's up with no sugarcoating and bullshit /shrug that's how I am. Another problem with our server is that. people will tell you that you're doing great but in reality you're not. They will just giggle in their teamspeak and comment at your dps and laugh at it instead of helping the person. If you do help, the person will claim that he knows his shit and you should mind your own problem.


Really? Am I the evil one? Being honest and tell you how it really is? Or the person who will come off as nice and smile at you and tell you that you're doing something right but clearly you're not.

[Lulu89]

Our server you can argue is Mid-Pop I wont deny that especially with the influx of new players we are getting on our server, but roughly the amount of people that come on can't outweigh the amount of people who are transferring off due to the fact they can't get content done on our server.

Royal I want to help as much as I can with whatever you need. Ill get a LS Created and we can figure something using both of our Free Companies Resources. ^.^ Any other FC that is willing is most definitely able to.

Yes I can 100% say the same we are a mid-pop server with very lower active/helpful endgame.

My FC it not a endgame FC we are more about just having fun and running endgame on the side. So we aim to help the more casual player v the more hardcore/endgamer.

I won't lie it can be hard at time to help others with endgame with so few "good" or "fast learners" ... endgame players on our server to top it off with our low endgame player count as it is. But I'm 100% behind making the server more active and will help in any way I can. Like I said befor I'm alrdy teaming up with Royal on this to push more my endgame FC members to join his raiding teams.

I my self am a hardcore raider but won't make or lead a team.. ( I do have a raid team 6/8) I'm to lol yea the old me will come out and I don't like him much... But at the same time I love being on a pro team that can learn as fast as me to make endgame more fun. Both me and my wife love endgame ^_^/

[Mahes]

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Its cool that you do that for your raid group/fc members there's no denying that.

What you stated is part of the problems that we will face trying to make a difference there is no arguing that, but people will be rude. I am looking for people to help with this that aren't afraid to tell them to shut it when they start talking like that.

In all honesty I don't care if you come off as an ass or tell people the truth in fact I respect you for it, but lines should be drawn. I wasn't calling you evil or anything along those lines, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. I was just saying that you sounded negative in a lot of your post and rarely gave helpful feedback.

[gorezilla1]

Lol Lulu. The points isn't the definiton of a small server. Fine you were on a much smaller server. This is the reason I prefaced with explaining my disagreement as an opinion. You seem to forget that end-game isn't restricted to coil. It' also the primals, speed running a dungeon etc. People need mats and some are only available through dungeons. In 2.0, you could find people spamming WP for philo to make money. Not so much anymore. These days, we are only together in our aloneness. End-game is much larger than you seem to understand.

All that aside, You must have some ideas of your own. why not share them. Let's pool our minds and come up with something great.

[Lulu89]

Lol Lulu. The points isn't the definiton of a small server. Fine you were on a much smaller server. This is the reason I prefaced with explaining my disagreement as an opinion. You seem to forget that end-game isn't restricted to coil. It' also the primals, speed running a dungeon etc. People need mats and some are only available through dungeons. In 2.0, you could find people spamming WP for philo to make money. Not so much anymore. These days, we are only together in our aloneness. End-game is much larger than you seem to understand.

All that aside, You must have some ideas of your own. why not share them. Let's pool our minds and come up with something great.

I don't count any thing out side coil as "endgame" bck coil is the only hard stuff In this endgame atm o.o... Don't miss read what I'm saying iv been playing mmos for 17 years and been raiding hardcore for at less 9 years. Iv been playing this game for over 3 years (1.0 bate and not new to this). Yes there are primal scream and dungeon sp runs..


Good but that not hard game play that seen as casual play easy fun crap to pass the time way waiting for the harder runs.. Endgame coil in my eyes. In some ways yes that stuff is endgame to others not in coil right now and I'm not putting them down in any why I just don't feel endgame has much more then just coil right now. But this is just me.. I did not forget anything at all I just see the game in a diff way then most.

Also I feel that we need to come together and talk about this more too.. And not just here on the forums playing post tag lol VOICE CHAT! We need to pull the few of us out there and work together to come up with a plan to help the server and the members we have in our guilds.

[Mahes]

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My ultimate goal isn't to get people through 100% of all content thats not it at all but I want people who want to get content done to be able to via finding group, etc; as well as I want people to know their class in and out all aspects of their class for many reasons. Our endgame on this server numbers wise does suck there not debate but there are plenty of newer player on our server who can attest to that and they either are stuck at a lower turn or aren't geared/have the needed abilities to do so.

Casters hate Bards that don't sing, Healers hate tanks that don't use cooldowns. These are well known facts, but a bard who cross-classes mantra using it as a big hit going out if there isn't a monk, Is not what people think about. I want to push to improve the quality of new raiders and players in general.

Going back to your FC and how its more for the casual player thats cool servers need FCs like yours and mine (Casual/Hardcore Raiders) and Royals and countless others out there.

[Lulu89]

My ultimate goal isn't to get people through 100% of all content

Going back to your FC and how its more for the casual player thats cool servers need FCs like yours and mine (Casual/Hardcore Raiders) and Royals and countless others out there.

Oo yes I'm not saying 100% too just saying we need to do more as a server and come together to help the newer raid players fined there way. You can be in a casual FC and still get raid help that good.. But if you're guild is like mying we don't push for ex primes and coil like Royal's FC. So it harder to get our members pass or in to raiding.. I may be a hardcore raider but I don't like leading endgame.. I'm a fast leaner but a bad teacher lol I'm more of looking out for the lil guy. I do a lot of crafting for my members I'm all 3 star + in all my crafts and 4 star in 2 of them.

But yea back on to the points ^_^...
I'm for helping and pushing for better raiders on our server and 100% rdy to back this up. But we need to do more and start soon.. 3.0 (49 days) and Alex is 70-ish day off and that not a lot of time too sadly.

[gorezilla1]

Fine, coil is the only thing you define as end-game. All of that is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Your past experiences are currently of no use. Even if we get on ts together, what do we do then. Mahes has outlined some of his ideas. Can you also outline some of yours? We're not asking to debate on the thread. We're asking for you to also provide suggestions. Being on TS isn't going to magically get the juices flowing. Anything put on this thread can be re-examined. And we can still do the VoIP thing. But for now, give us some of your compelling ideas. Not just you but all fc. Consider it a suggestion box. If you see a flaw in someones reasoning, explain clearly. Right now, if we were to try to actually us voice, the turn-out would be dismal. But when you start offering suggestions, you inadvertently give others to do the same.

If you do recall something that brought you immense success in your 17yrs of playing MMOs, we welcome that. Right now, we are seeking suggestions on what we can all do better and how it helps.


Our fc is casual, but pretty much all the members are hard core. We DO push for ex primals, and coil. I have 4 star everything as does Aedan. Mahes does 4 star for 4 crafts and we've been downing 13 since before the lock-out was removed. The reason we keep it small is because we keep it personal. We insult each other and laugh together. This way we can make sure we are maximizing our potential. That said, we're can't maximize the server, but we can assist as many as possible. And they don't need to be fc members to do that. Again, this is all an aside.

What I want is to know everyone's ideal Coeurl server, and a way to reach a compromise.

[Mahes]

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Well don't get me wrong I'm looking out for the "little guy" to but only if the "little guy" cares; I am not going to out of my way to help someone who just want to be carried through content. I won't carry anyone even in my own FC. I can comfortably say that everyone in my FC that is past Turn 9 can play there class to the fullest. In my FC we strive to bring out the best out of our players. We get them to watch videos/learn strategies/and practice before we get them the clear... that being said we will still go in with them but instead of pulling in the entire fc to help them practice we will go in with them and que via df wipes are inevitable but at least they can get to know the mechanic and such. Several times on TS we have discussions about how we can pull out more dps, or how to benefit any group we are in. I am a 3* crafter as well in everything and 4* 4 of them as well, so I understand crafting for your FC members I do, but in our FC we do push for getting everyone through Primals if people don't have a static and they are looking we will do our best to find the best slot that they can fill.

[stuscott]

I want to expand out a little on Mahes' player classifications before I comment:

One could argue we have four types of players on this server:

1 - Players who have no interest in end-game raiding - this thread is not directed at them - I would guesstimate this is about 60% of the players on our server.

2 - Players who are interested in end-game raiding but are missing several key components to be able to do so (self-awareness, skill, commitment, time, persistence, ability to take criticism, ability to work as a team, ability to see more than what they alone are doing in a raid, among many other traits I could list, but that's another topic for another time). These are the players buying their way through content or expecting people to carry them through it without putting in time and effort to learn fights. This thread could be directed at them, but until they learn work on some of those things, they won't be successful at end-game raiding. I would guesstimate this is about 20% of the players on our server.

3 - Players who are interested in end-game raiding and could, with some time and practice, be there and typically want to work to get there - this group is typically the group clearing content once it gets out of weekly lockouts and onto PF and DF - these are the people who we need to work with the grow our community - the issue is - well, that's complex - some of them might not be getting out in the community, some of them may have tried to get into raids and were unsuccessful. In my experiences leading a raid team on this server, most of them are waiting for someone to come to them and say we have a spot for you, which isn't going to happen, or are too scared and intimated by the current end game community to try to put themselves into it. I would guesstimate this is about 15% of the server.

4 - Players who have cleared all content and are waiting for Heavensward. These are the players who we need to get on board and help group 3 get thru content to grow our end-game community. This is probably about 5% of the server population, if that.

The biggest issue I've found is Group 3 has for the most part is pretty much under the impression they have little chance at getting through harder content when it's current without buying a clear, which again doesn't do our end-game community any help. The ones who are buying clears aren't going to be successful in further gated content because they haven't learned mechanics. The ones who can't afford to buy a clear are moving to higher population servers, shrinking the candidate pool when statics have openings, causing those end-game clearing players to move to higher population servers. It's a dirty cycle.

We end-game raiders are going to have to "donate" some of our time and help mold these players if we want to spur growth in our end-game community. We need to reach out and make friends with newer players and help them. Otherwise, the server is going to continue to shrink.

But again....it's not all on us. The players who want to get into this content need to speak up, make friends, join parties, and get themselves out there before Heavenward comes out and exhibit necessary behaviors of end-game raiders if they want to get into that content with the players who will be trying to clear Alexander right away. Players looking to get through end-game content need to take personal responsibility for themselves in regards to learning the classes they play and how they work together. Granted, with Heavensward, we all will be doing this as all rotations are changing, but they have to be willing to spend the time to do that.

Finding players who share the same play style as you, whether it be zerging content right away and putting in tons of work to raid or a group that maybe clears it a little slower and only raids 1-2 nights per week, is up to the individual player. They can't do that if they don't get out there and make friends with people and use PF, this forum, or the Reddit recruitment subreddit to meet new people. When I led a static, I recruited all my members from PF or these forums.