Square, if youre going to ban Gil buyers, give them a PERMANENT ban

[OMEGA_HACK]

Honestly there just needs to be either 1) more restrictive ways for players to block/filter RMT spam messages or 2) more ways for players to effectively report and auto-temp-ban RMT spam.

Regardless of whether or not people get perma-banned for buying gil will not stop RMT. They will spam message if sales are low, they will spam message if sales are high, they will spam messages because they can.

[Ashkendor]

Honestly there just needs to be either 1) more restrictive ways for players to block/filter RMT spam messages or 2) more ways for players to effectively report and auto-temp-ban RMT spam.

Regardless of whether or not people get perma-banned for buying gil will not stop RMT. They will spam message if sales are low, they will spam message if sales are high, they will spam messages because they can.

Pretty much. Gil sellers don't care if a buyer gets perma-banned. They already have what they're after and there's always more people that will buy. Honestly, a lot of the buyers that I've run into (mostly in other games) are newer players that are ignorant of the fact that it's against the rules. You'd be surprised how many people don't review the terms of use or read the forums. It's not an excuse, but it is a reasonable explanation.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Pretty much. Gil sellers don't care if a buyer gets perma-banned. They already have what they're after and there's always more people that will buy. Honestly, a lot of the buyers that I've run into (mostly in other games) are newer players that are ignorant of the fact that it's against the rules. You'd be surprised how many people don't review the terms of use or read the forums. It's not an excuse, but it is a reasonable explanation.

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[Ilitsa]

What makes you so sure they even hand out temp bans to buyers? I don't think you'll ever see them ban buyers no matter how much you complain on the forums.

Fact is that they have no evidence to ban the buyers, they simply receive a large sum of gil. People could just claim ignorance and you would have no proof that they actually paid any money for it.

Trades and interactions are rather easily trackable. If they have trades/interactions with accounts either banned, or known to be (still waiting to ban) for being RMT gil sellers, that's plausible cause for issuing a ban to the person as well.

[Akuryu]

I'll go ahead and say the unpopular thing...

Everyone keeps saying "well a lot of people are going to start quitting if nothing is done about this!!!" Really? Who? And why haven't they left already? This isn't a new problem. If you're one of these people, why are you still here? Why haven't you marched off out of principle yet?

I think the number of people who are actually so upset over RMT that they'd quit the game is minuscule. In all likelihood, there are more gil buyers than there are people who would go through with quitting. SE would probably lose more money banning gil buyers, than they would just letting the people who can't take it leave.

[Riepah]

I think the number of people who are actually so upset over RMT that they'd quit the game is minuscule. In all likelihood, there are more gil buyers than there are people who would go through with quitting. SE would probably lose more money banning gil buyers, than they would just letting the people who can't take it leave.

Guess that means SE endorses RMT.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Just because they tolerate it to a degree doesn't mean they endorse it...man the world wants to be so black and white when its not ever the case.

[AlexandeRW]

I'll go ahead and say the unpopular thing...

Everyone keeps saying "well a lot of people are going to start quitting if nothing is done about this!!!" Really? Who? And why haven't they left already? This isn't a new problem. If you're one of these people, why are you still here? Why haven't you marched off out of principle yet?

I could be wrong, but can you post on the forums without an active account? Those that quit...aren't going to be able to post on these threads to tell us that's why, if so.

(And the odd "I'm quitting and this is why!" threads tend to rapidly devolve into "No one cares, go quit, can I have your stuff" so I'm sure it's discouraging to think about making a thread to announce that you are quitting for RMT reasons)

[Magusrex]

Gil is easy to make in this game, why buy it?

Because some people are both lazy and stupid.

[Noshpan]

Banned guil sellers will buy the game again if they make money, banned guill buyers may not. It's a simple business decision.

Banned gil sellers don't buy the game to begin with. They steal accounts.

While giving permanent bans to gil buyers is something that I am all for (sure, it sounds harsh for first time offenders), but it may be difficult for them to discern if that person with the RMT gil bought it or got it from someone who did buy the gil.

Gil is easy to make in this game, why buy it?

People who buy gil are too lazy to put a Lalafellen-sized amount of effort into making gil the legitimate way.