Square, if youre going to ban Gil buyers, give them a PERMANENT ban

[DoctorPepper]

What makes you so sure they even hand out temp bans to buyers? I don't think you'll ever see them ban buyers no matter how much you complain on the forums.

Fact is that they have no evidence to ban the buyers, they simply receive a large sum of gil. People could just claim ignorance and you would have no proof that they actually paid any money for it.

[Radkat]

Fact is that they have no evidence to ban the buyers, they simply receive a large sum of gil. People could just claim ignorance and you would have no proof that they actually paid any money for it.

It is a simple matter for SE to trace gilsellers from bot accounts who send large amounts of gil to seller accounts who send gil to regular players. They have no problem banning the bots and the sellers, but they have been reluctant to ban the buyers so far.

[DoctorPepper]

It is a simple matter for SE to trace gilsellers from bot accounts who send large amounts of gil to seller accounts who send gil to regular players. They have no problem banning the bots and the sellers, but they have been reluctant to ban the buyers so far.

Except it's not a simple matter at all, by that logic if a gilseller sends a large amount of gil to a character who didn't purchase gil by accident they will be banned. This could occur because the person who actually bought the gil made a mistake while entering their character name or even selected the wrong server.

Additionally, if somebody really doesn't like another player in game all they have to do is buy that character some gil and they'll be permanently banned. $50 to see somebody you hate disappear isn't a lot of money to some people.

Banning the buyers is not a feasible solution, which is why I don't think it will ever happen. Too much liability and things that can go wrong if they start doing that.

As far as I can tell, they've only been banning bots and rmt spammers, and even most of the bots get away with it.

[Radkat]

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No, banning buyers is definitely feasible. Those caught the first time can be given a warning and the gil received wiped out. He will have a chance to plead his case. So the next time he receives gil again without buying, he will know not to accept it, or report to a GM immediately.

And come on, the chances of these cases happening are pretty rare.

[DoctorPepper]

No, banning buyers is definitely feasible. Those caught the first time can be given a warning and the gil received wiped out. He will have a chance to plead his case. So the next time he receives gil again without buying, he will know not to accept it, or report to a GM immediately.

And come on, the chances of these cases happening are pretty rare.

So what if I don't like you in game? I just have to spend $50 on gil twice and you disappear?

Give me a break, there is no way you can prove somebody bought gil, short of them saying within in game chat that they bought gil.

If you want to trust everybody who plays this game that's great, but I've seen enough malicious crap in my time to know better.

[Radkat]

@DoctorPepper

Didn't you read my post? Read it again!

[DoctorPepper]

@DoctorPepper

Didn't you read my post? Read it again!

Yes I read your post and your idea is still flawed in my opinion, doesn't matter how many "warnings" you get. Buying gil is a service that SE has no control over and ANYBODY can buy gil for anybody else. So with that in mind, there is no way to prove somebody buys gil.

Reporting that you received a large amount of gil by mistake will only get you so far. I see spam advertising prices like $1/million or less. The $50 value I gave was an example but in reality somebody could harass you for a long time with $50 because if they are banning buyers they would have to ban them regardless of the amount received or people would just bypass it by buying small amounts.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support the buyers or the sellers. I just don't think that there is enough evidence to prove somebody buys gil because they received gil from rmt. So go ahead and ban buyers who say they're buying with in game chat but good luck getting the buyers to say something about it in game.

[Ashkendor]

So what if I don't like you in game? I just have to spend $50 on gil twice and you disappear?

I dunno about you, but if I found a mail with millions of gil from a garbage name I'd send in a ticket.

[Canadane]

What makes you so sure they even hand out temp bans to buyers? I don't think you'll ever see them ban buyers no matter how much you complain on the forums.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...4cf9d31e16ce16
82 buyers got a temp ban. And that's just a 2-week period.
They've done this for a while.

Additionally, if somebody really doesn't like another player in game all they have to do is buy that character some gil and they'll be permanently banned. $50 to see somebody you hate disappear isn't a lot of money to some people.

Hmm, see if someone did that to me, the RMT themselves would still either need to come up to me and trade, or add me as a friend to mail.
I already deny random friend requests. I'm smart enough to not take a random bajillion gil thrown at me out of the blue. If anything, the buyer would be out their $50 and I continue along my day unaffected.

[Akuryu]

82 buyers got a temp ban. And that's just a 2-week period.

Guaranteed a lot more than 82 people bought gil over those 2 weeks. Far more are getting away than are being caught. If only 82 people were buying gil, there wouldn't be enough money to sustain RMT.

Gil sellers don't just have a single account/character on each server, sitting on a mountain of gil, just waiting to be caught. Gil sellers have multiple accounts, and create new characters across those accounts, with gil spread out across them. Sometimes gil gets filtered from 4-5 characters down to 1 single character to make the trade. Sometimes they delete that character right after. They are pretty good at evading detection. This makes determining buyers with certainty that much harder. You'd have to hire full-time staff just to monitor the economy of each server. It's just not realistic.