Tribe Gaming FC - Elitist D*cks - OR - Experienced Gamers Willing to Help?

[ViciousDreamer]

It wasn't just him that told me that story, but a former officer of Tribe. A group of people left Tribe and came over to the FC that I was in and described the crap they went through. Lev and his friend, a former Tribe officer, specifically named you as the person behind not letting him raid cuz you didn't like his voice. Oh, and an officer of Tribe at the time would hang out in TS with us and tell us about it. That person wouldn't leave because their significant other didn't want to leave. Nothing you say will make me believe that you didn't bully Lev (3+ ppl backed his story up, 2 officers). You most certainly didn't allow him to raid with you since I was with him for his first T1-T4 clears. I remember when Tribe used to be large and had a glowing reputation. I don't see you guys making a comeback.

[Sharess]

It wasn't just him that told me that story, but a former officer of Tribe. A group of people left Tribe and came over to the FC that I was in and described the crap they went through. Lev and his friend, a former Tribe officer, specifically named you as the person behind not letting him raid cuz you didn't like his voice. Oh, and an officer of Tribe at the time would hang out in TS with us and tell us about it. That person wouldn't leave because their significant other didn't want to leave. Nothing you say will make me believe that you didn't bully Lev (3+ ppl backed his story up, 2 officers). You most certainly didn't allow him to raid with you since I was with him for his first T1-T4 clears. I remember when Tribe used to be large and had a glowing reputation. I don't see you guys making a comeback.

I remember Lev, and that explains some of it. You're right, he did come off as annoying but it wasn't his voice, it was a personality conflict with Lev and the other raiders. So in answer to your question no we did not put Lev in our main raid group because other members came and asked for him not to be placed there. It was not just his voice that was the reason though, it was performance issues as well.


You also made reference to 3+ people, 2 being officers, backing his story. Some of your issues lie int he fact that some of our former officers needed to be asked to leave because they lost their way and lost focus on what we were trying to achieve as a FC. As a result some of these former officers tend to try and be the fireball exit I described in the OP, and try to shame the name of the guild they were asked to step down from leadership or asked to leave.

We don't punish people for their voice...

[Satyre]

So people going for the fireball exit is equal to them throwing the cold harsh truth in your face Dave? I'm perplexed.
Either way, I'm posting this for Xystel Unaki since he's having issues signing into the forums.

Alright, I've kept my mouth shut for almost 2 years on this and thank you for finally providing an outlet to give everybody some insight where you can't censor everything like you do on your forums. I am an ex-member of Tribe and probably one of the more infamous ones that Sharess mentioned in his little comment about leaving in a fireball. In fact, through the contacts I had in the guild after I was kicked out and my dealings with the aftermath I know that things were very twisted and spun to try and keep the political pendulum on Tribe's side. I do not wish ill on anyone in the guild and quite frankly if someone finds Tribe to be a suitable home for them then I won't stop them but there is some information that does need to be addressed here.

I personally have no major issues with the recruitment process except for the fact that you are REQUIRED to put your real name out there for the entire game world to see. You seriously couldn't play with them, and would get hounded by Sharess or an officer until you put it in your party note. Privacy is a wonderful thing and I don't mind sharing it with a guild but good lord, an entire game community? Here's a fun fact...None of the WoW chapter does this (They're most important one where high leadership is).

I joined Tribe at the launch of 1.0 and had an amazing time with them however we all know how that went and like a lot of members I just sort of fell out. I came back for 2.0 and I quickly learned that leadership is unfortunately so out of touch and so broken that it becomes a bit unfair. Before release a friend and I were planning on partying together and I started putting myself out there for anyone in the guild, where the peak membership actually was, but I was reprimanded for “Trying to exclude people and form a static” which was not what leadership wanted yet here we are now. The worst part is that it was taboo to even group outside of the guild because of the whole family thing and you should be able to always have a group there. This is something that was the exact opposite of how the game worked. In fact, for the first couple of weeks you couldn't even log into the game without being REQUIRED to be in mumble. The problem is that a lot of new recruits were straight up ignored most of the time because of the several year veterans and their little cliques which ironically included leadership. Hypocrisy isn't cool.

Now, here is where everything went down. I know many members who are both current and ex “Tribers” and I have been kept up to date even to this day on things that are happening in the guild and its quite annoying. You say you don't have a toxic or elitist tone but you need to look at yourself Sharess. Do you remember why you kicked me out? I do. Everyone in Tribe does. Hell, a lot of people in multiple Free Companies know it! I was never toxic, yet you tried to slander my name under the guise that I was a very toxic individual in both the forums and on mumble when in reality I rarely said much. I posted a thread about working on a cosplay, I laughed about super sized shirts with old members, I recommended anime to others and I sure as hell didn't talk in mumble enough. I kept my mouth shut and for good reason.

I am a toxic player because I didn't show up to a group photoshoot...thats it. I was kicked because I wasn't present to take a silly screenshot even after I told leadership I wouldn't be there a week in advance (Which Sharess said was okay.) Yes I was logged in, no I wasn't at the computer. Everyone knew I never logged out because of the queues and the fear of error 90k during that time. I didn't even try to go out in a “fireball” either. The simple act of my removal was the fireball and its what has caused the entire Leviathan server to just kind of laugh at Tribe. I found Nos after this event and surprisingly enough they were so close to raiding when Tribe was still trying to maintain its silly little “No statics” crap.

The fireball only got bigger when you guys finally reached raiding and were stubborn enough to try and rotate members so they could get a fair run at Coil rather than let them form statics and kept pushing Antivia Anvassa to the bench week after week despite being nothing but helpful and an amazing Monk. When we needed a sub for one of our raid groups I got him into that slot and it wasn't permament either, just 2 weeks. He knew he would be benched the next week so it was perfect. You eneded up throwing a fit about him wanting to play the game and caused him to leave as well because he grouped with someone outside of Tribe for a raid he wasn't getting to experience, something you guys seem to be so prideful about. Many of Nostalgia's later raid groups were hilariously composed of ex tribe members and they even told us that me and Antivia were slandered on the boards as some of the most toxic players in the guild. Speaking of which...While everyone was working on T5 you were having difficulties with turns 1 and 2...Good job.

You even insisted on muscling every alt you had into each raid group and rule all of them. I don't know about you but isn't that a little unfair to people wanting to raid because you have to have a character in them especially when you boot people out for seeking groups outside of Tribe due to lack of internal interest? Seems like the video game equivalent of North Korea to me. (You know, one supreme ruler, can't enter or you're stuck for life.)

Tribe isn't inherently a bad FC, you're just the cause of the drama. Also, its kind of funny that all of Tribe's drama comes directly from leadership and we all know that NOBODY likes the way you run the chapter. (Funny that your thread asking for feedback on that very subject in your forums was deleted after people were honest.)

[Eleionomai]

I could sit here and spend hours writing a post about the corruption and unfairness going on in Tribe (especially the leadership), but frankly it's not worth my time. I met some great people in Tribe (my best friend on top of that), but that's about it.

To sum it up in a few words:

My experience with Tribe is the same as if you go down to the bakery and buy a breadbun with what appears to be chocolate. You then come home, bite down on the delicious dough and realise it's filled with raisins.
Most disappointing community I've ever been a part of.

By the way:

Starting a topic where you know you'll get bashed but still tries to defend your ass.

[Jarinolde]

[Sharess]

Thank You Shrimp for helping Unaki with his posting issues. Shrimp and Penguin, though we had our personality issues when i filled in to help your static, and throughout time in Tribe I wish you the best with whatever FC you have chosen.


Responding to Unaki, you are incorrect when you state that the WoW community does not require member notes. They have the same member notes as described in here.

Regarding why you were removed. No you were not removed for a toxic personality, yes you were removed for missing our one and only required attendance event (If people were online during this time, and were also provided 2 weeks prior notice with much update and guild information ingame of happening). After removing you we had a discussion where we were both level headed and you described to me that you were trying to get there but kept getting lost. Because you were trying and although you did not ask for help we reinstated your membership without issue.

In regards to people making note against you forming static with your friend and being told it was not inclusive and elitist, that was a member that discussed that with you and did not appreciate it. One that we discussed with after as well.

they even told us that me and Antivia were slandered on the boards as some of the most toxic players in the guild.

I am sorry but you both were misinformed.

Regarding Mumble: We always encourage people to join mumble while playing to socialize, mumble is required for raids and current content progression in the guild, nothing more, nothing less.

You even insisted on muscling every alt you had into each raid group and rule all of them. I don't know about you but isn't that a little unfair to people wanting to raid because you have to have a character in them especially when you boot people out for seeking groups outside of Tribe due to lack of internal interest? Seems like the video game equivalent of North Korea to me. (You know, one supreme ruler, can't enter or you're stuck for life.)

I only made alts to be more active in the FC for our members and to help fill in. When it came time to leave a morning static for another permanent member that could do the job well, I did just that.

Furthermore I don't wish and never wished you ill will/thought you OR Antivia were toxic people. Even people who left badly i don't wish ill will. Is it disappointing when active members leave? Sure. But it's also just as important to know that not everyone will like this FC.

BTW, the membership feedback thread with the google doc submission was overwhelmingly positive and gave some notes on things to work on that we took in stride and worked towards. It was also not deleted.

Sorry you didn't find your fit here with us Unaki and I wish you the best.

[Satyre]

Regarding why you were removed. No you were not removed for a toxic personality

Really? When I asked you back when Penguin and me were still clueless little Tribers why Unaki had been kicked, you said you needed an excuse to kick him so you wouldn't have to deal with his toxic behaviour anymore.

Of course, this is just my word against yours. But then again, I'm not the one here trying to prove to the community that I or my guild are a bunch of nice people regardless of what a large part of the community's already thinking.

I could probably shove an enormous list on here to tell you the why's, the how's and all that jazz, but it's futile as you won't do anything with it anyway. The exact same thing happened when you asked your own guild members for input on Tribe's own forums and got blasted down by the majority. You closed the thread and shrugged it off because it's either your way or the high way in the end.

Personally, I believe Tribe's a great community. It's just a shame the only one who was interested in leading the chapter has trampled the guild down into the ground. But hey, it's not like that never happened before, right?

[Unaki]

Regarding why you were removed. No you were not removed for a toxic personality, yes you were removed for missing our one and only required attendance event (If people were online during this time, and were also provided 2 weeks prior notice with much update and guild information ingame of happening). After removing you we had a discussion where we were both level headed and you described to me that you were trying to get there but kept getting lost. Because you were trying and although you did not ask for help we reinstated your membership without issue.

In regards to people making note against you forming static with your friend and being told it was not inclusive and elitist, that was a member that discussed that with you and did not appreciate it. One that we discussed with after as well.

Just stop. I was removed, as I said before, for missing a photoshoot where I gave you and every other officer plenty of notice for not being there. You guys knew I had doctor appointments on that day and the whole of Tribe knows exactly why I have them (Unless you deleted my original application, there is solid proof right there that all of you knew this). I don't recall discussing anything with you post-kick either, except to tell you that I wouldn't be returning because of your power-trip. (Where did you even get the idea that I kept "getting lost" trying to find the shrine in the Sylphlands?) I remember because I came back to several messages on Steam from both Sedris and Antivia asking where I was. I even remember seeing for the month that I still had forum member privileges a gigantic crapstorm of a thread where you were blasted and being questioned by a lot of members old and new for my removal. Our discussion in the game after my removal was not about being welcomed back into Tribe, it was a parting of ways and I expected you to be the bigger man about it but that wasn't the case. I continued to hear about you parading me and Antivia as toxic players when asked by then-current Tribe members about why we were removed, followed by Shrimp and Penguin after you muscled your way into their groups and made them feel invalidated because an EU raiding group was just "Not good enough to support."

I also want to know how exactly I was misinformed about the mess with me being "inclusive and elitist"? It wasn't a member, it was !@#$ing leadership. Stop trying to spin all these lies and just accept that you are a problem.

Don't even try to hide from this, you put yourself out there and its well known across Leviathan that Tribe is simply a massive joke.

[Sharess]

Thanks Unaki and Shrimp and Penguin for your time and best wishes, and yes I honestly mean that.

[Akiza]

Most of the time with a Fireball exit from there is always one leader or a group of leaders encouraging the behavior saying we are going to stand up the tyrannical FC leadership and then when the discussion and decision goes on they leave then hanging.