Possible [spoiler] between Dragons and Garleans?

[Anonymoose]

The story behind Louisoix/phoenix, I believe, is very similar (in end result) to that of Shiva. He became the new host for the long-forgotten being, Phoenix.

Could that be, do you think? My original interpretation was that the story was putting emphasis on Ysayle's Echo being responsible for her candidacy as a vessel for a primal, and on Louisoix somehow just becoming one. Louisoix didn't have the Echo, as far as we know, and Ysayle was free to walk away relatively unscathed after Shiva was forced to withdraw. I wouldn't call it a illogical leap, by any means, but (so far) it feels (to me) like more separation than overlap between Shiva and Phoenix.

[Duuude007]

Could that be, do you think? My original interpretation was that the story was putting emphasis on Ysayle's Echo being responsible for her candidacy as a vessel for a primal, and on Louisoix somehow just becoming one. Louisoix didn't have the Echo, as far as we know, and Ysayle was free to walk away relatively unscathed after Shiva was forced to withdraw. I wouldn't call it a illogical leap, by any means, but (so far) it feels (to me) like more separation than overlap between Shiva and Phoenix.

The difference i see is that she mainained her free will even when she freely gave over her body. Louisoix was enthralled as the prayers/aether of eorzea were concentrated within Louisoix, and presumeably the 'Phoenix' existed in Bahamut's memories as a desparate means to an end- a way he can be restored.

A confluence of events I know, but again, after either entity was defeated, they returned to their former humanoid bodies.

Edit: holy cow, this topic went on a wierd tangent, lol.

[treuhavik]

The difference i see is that she mainained her free will even when she freely gave over her body. Louisoix was enthralled as the prayers/aether of eorzea were concentrated within Louisoix, and presumeably the 'Phoenix' existed in Bahamut's memories as a desparate means to an end- a way he can be restored.

Louisoux became Phoenix before defeating Bahamut and was enthralled by the dying Primal as he attempted to return the borrowed aether, along with his own, to the land. So, while Louisoux was infused with the power of a primal, he had full control of himself for as long as he intended to live.

No, the only difference between the two is the wording used. Iceheart was "host to" and Louisoux "became" a primal. Also, Louisoux's summoning ended in his death (or would have, had he not been snatched by Bahamut). Other than those two points, each of these events appear no different.