Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Noahlimits]

I'm curious why a person in 100% poetics gear and 0 dread would consider himself an elitist. Normally people who consider themselves elitist have performed most of what the game has to offer in difficult content (hence why they claim to be elite). Being able to do outdated content and dungeons competently (and wanting competent players) does not make you an elitist.

[Starlord]

Ahem, i have been insulted by people coming from on both sides of this argument. Being pressured into doing coil by people wasn't my idea. Nor was being ditched at titan x, called undeserving for asking for story mode coil, talked around for not clearing t9, and amoung other things.

I do have an interest in learning things, and look at a written guide, but if I have to be a complete and utter jackass to get better, then I won't do it.

This is why I stay away from hardcore content ( coil) till it's not relevant anymore. because I had bad experiences in hardcore content, that I don't wanna see again. ( Thankfully I am on a Japanese server, to the hate is unlikely.)

[GenJoe]

I'm curious why a person in 100% poetics gear and 0 dread would consider himself an elitist. Normally people who consider themselves elitist have performed most of what the game has to offer in difficult content (hence why they claim to be elite). Being able to do outdated content and dungeons competently (and wanting competent players) does not make you an elitist.

You're completely missing the point here..
OP's talking about her change in attitudes in order to climb the ranks. Simply because too many people are unwilling to put in any effort or have proven themselves to be beyond improvement. Many are in fact, beyond help no matter what you try. So people become jaded like the OP. That's what we're talking about.

[Purrfectstorm]

I'm not sure how arguing over semantics is doing anyone any good. At least "howling at the moon" is somewhat cathartic.

I agree. Many of the people in this thread are too fixated on my use of the word "elitist" and what that word "really" means. It was just a hook to share my thoughts about developing a winning mindset and why people with a winning mindset may not always have fun playing with people without a winning mindset.

As for not having the right to redefine the word "elitist," that seems like an odd thing to say. Where do words come from in the first place? Someone made them up from somewhere. Plus word meanings change all the time. I'm a writer. If I can't contribute to the development of language, who can? Still, though, part of a writer's task is being clear about what they're saying and maybe it would've confused some of you a lot less if I had chosen a different word.

Some people have mentioned how I have not cleared FCoB yet, as evidenced by my lack of a Louisoix minion. This is 100% true. However, I'm not the best player and I've had a hard time finding good groups even once I do learn a fight. I'm not elite as in "OMG I'm the best player in the world." But I do try and a lot of players don't. I don't think there is anyone in this community or any other that can convince me that not trying is somehow more virtuous than trying. So good luck with that.

As an aside, I thought about calling people out for their lack of an Apkallu minion LOL "Oh you think you're elite because you can clear T13? Let's see how you do with 80 different jumping puzzles." But I am 100% certain that some of you would've taken me seriously. Some people just like taking things out of context or they fail to read between the lines. I don't think it's a comprehension failure on their part or a communication failure on my part; I think some people just like to argue.

As a case in point, I clearly said in my OP that I did not condone name-calling and putting people down. Yet some people in this thread have claimed that I'm somehow promoting the abuse of others.

The main point of my OP was simply this: You will find people more supportive of you if you take some initiative to help yourself.

I never suggested being mean to others and I think helping new players is admirable. However, realistically, people do not have infinite patience.

[Intaki]

The main point of my OP was simply this: You will find people more supportive of you if you take some initiative to help yourself.

Maybe you should have actually said that then, instead of indulging in all your self-centered posturing and nonsensical word-spew.

[Noahlimits]

You're completely missing the point here..
OP's talking about her change in attitudes in order to climb the ranks. Simply because too many people are unwilling to put in any effort or have proven themselves to be beyond improvement. Many are in fact, beyond help no matter what you try. So people become jaded like the OP. That's what we're talking about.

You're missing my point. I'm just saying what he's describing isn't elitist, if he really ment to say "You will find people more supportive of you if you take some initiative to help yourself.", he should have said that in his initial post. Not a wall of spam that tries to redefine what a word means.

[kpxmanifesto]

Maybe you should have actually said that then, instead of indulging in all your self-centered posturing and nonsensical word-spew.

Ah, it appears that OP is backpedaling. Looks like the shows over.

[FeiXue]

So lets continue to propagate hate and prejudice because of a google definition? Great case there mate. I'm sure that puts you on the right side of ethics.

Try changing the world. Not following like a sheep. Break the cycle. Don't propagate it.

BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE

Tfw being the change means starting up these PFs where you kick inexperienced people while everyone bitches about you being "elitist"

[Noahlimits]

As for not having the right to redefine the word "elitist," that seems like an odd thing to say.


The main point of my OP was simply this: You will find people more supportive of you if you take some initiative to help yourself.

Cool, I'm now redefining the word avocado. It now means self made gillionnaire.

Attempting to redefine a word for for your own argument doesn't work. It also really hurts your initial post and comes off as back tracking. If you really wanted to say that quote in your original post, you should have put that instead of a post which makes it sound like you only want to hear yourself talk (or in this instance, read).

Sometimes I wish the FF forums had a downvote button like reddit. Then people wouldn't think posts like this are the popular opinion or relevant due to likes.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm simply having a peaceful conversation.

Tiggy, arguing a point does not require confrontaion, peaceful conversation is more than sufficient to argue the merits of something. I have no desire for a confrontation.

BTW I make no presumption of elitism or anything else, and judge people on their behavior. You could be an elitist without being an asshole, but it would take a great degree of skill to behave as an elitist without simultaneously being an asshole to others.