Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Purrfectstorm]

Another common thread of thought I see is "all the parties in the party finder only want experienced people, I can't get experience".

LOL

This reminds me of a roommate I had that was like: "I can't get a job because I don't have a car and I can't get a car because I don't have a job."
These kinds of Catch-22's aren't unique. So how do most people handle them? Well it's not by laying down and dying!
Successful people avoid victim-think as much as possible. "Woe is me," doesn't get you anywhere. The only thing that does is asking: "What can I do right now to improve this situation?

[Purrfectstorm]

I did not tell her not to post on the forums. I just told her not to make the same point over and over again in a another thread she just made not a week ago.

Many people in the other thread criticized how I put things so I thought I'd word my ideas a little differently this time. Judging from the responses, I'd say I did a better job. Definitely worth the 2nd attempt I'd say. Plus little harm is done by repeating the same ideas, especially if those ideas might help others.

[Aureyo]

Giving up before I started...

Your problem is your attitude towards all of this. You quite literally are holding yourself back mentally by saying phrases like Nobody wants to help and Learning parties Never fill. Grow up man.

[Anna_Lannis]

LOL

This reminds me of a roommate I had that was like: "I can't get a job because I don't have a car and I can't get a car because I don't have a job."
These kinds of Catch-22's aren't unique. So how do most people handle them? Well it's not by laying down and dying!
Successful people avoid victim-think as much as possible. "Woe is me," doesn't get you anywhere. The only thing that does is asking: "What can I do right now to improve this situation?

This isn't "victim-thinking". Awnsering the "what I can do to get better" isn't always easy, neither is actually doing it. Sometimes it's not always available. Do you know how many homeless military they are that can't get jobs? No one wants to lie around and do nothing, but sometimes their isn't always a right now. Failing after repeated attempts with no one to go for help leads people to disrepair. Anyone who couldn't find a party in FFXI will agree with me.

[Purrfectstorm]

This isn't "victim-thinking". Awnsering the "what I can do to get better" isn't always easy, neither is actually doing it. Sometimes it's not always available. Do you know how many homeless military they are that can't get jobs? No one wants to lie around and do nothing, but sometimes their isn't always a right now. Failing after repeated attempts with no one to go for help leads people to disrepair. Anyone who couldn't find a party in FFXI will agree with me.

Oh, Anna, you love to hate me!

[HyperiusUltima]

One thing I'd like to ask, though: Do said 'elitists' make money off of people who NEED to clear?

I'm still against this in Behemoth because even if they haven't cleared it, why should I have to pay for content clears? Because nobody else will do it? Because DF can be full of assholes at times? Or is it because the new people attempting said content just don't care anymore?

Let alone, that's just a risk some people are willing to take with clear sellers. Most of the time in Behemoth I see things like "Selling T9-T13. You die and keep loot!" and even EX Primals for that matter. If it was possible, I'd want to stop it so that people are a bit more willing to help those who need the clear instead of just stand there and wait for the next moneybags to come along.

[ClaireAbigail]

Aaahhhh...another good thread ruined by the tumblr community of ffxiv. Btw op I agree with ya. Don't let the nay sayers bring you down. For me, I don't care if you're noob or the best player ever just don't be a burden to the party.

[Twilite]

This isn't "victim-thinking". Awnsering the "what I can do to get better" isn't always easy, neither is actually doing it. Sometimes it's not always available. Do you know how many homeless military they are that can't get jobs? No one wants to lie around and do nothing, but sometimes their isn't always a right now. Failing after repeated attempts with no one to go for help leads people to disrepair. Anyone who couldn't find a party in FFXI will agree with me.

Or never getting CoP done pre abyssea/cap increase. Salvage, etc, etc. . . FFXI was home to "once I get it done, never doing it again, for anyone and by extension, not for anyone that isn't in my social circle"

[Kyri]

The thing is, I really don't think most casuals are looking for an easy win. That's what elitists do.
Problem is... "Jimmy Noob" wants to do T10. He goes on DF. 40 mins later, he gets a group. One wipe, 2, tank leaves. Replenish ranks. Waiting... waiting... waiting... other ppl start to bail. OK, this isn't going anywhere. leave group.
OK, Maybe on PF jimmy has a better shot. "T10 learning party, come join " on PF. 10 minutes... 20 minutes, some DPS joins. 30 minutes, 1 hour... 2... now party has 5 ppl lacking 2 tanks and a healer. Then people start bailing out. 2 mins later the group only has Jimmy and a BLM who's AFK. Disband.
OK... let's see the other PF groups.
"T10 farm party. 100 sol = kick"
"T10 clear party, know fight or GTFO"
"T10 farm, need EXP"
So Jimmy goes on the DF again. after one hour of waiting, he gets a group. One wipe, tank goes all "you guys SUCK" and leave. 4 people leave in sequence. Vote Abandon comes.
Now,... what's the ONLY option left for Jimmy, I ask of you?

This. So much this.

Hey, their arms aren't broke either. Instead of lying to get into a group, why not put your own PF up to ask for help? I've seen it happen quite a lot on my server. It works.

Remember when they said :

OK, Maybe on PF jimmy has a better shot. "T10 learning party, come join " on PF. 10 minutes... 20 minutes, some DPS joins. 30 minutes, 1 hour... 2... now party has 5 ppl lacking 2 tanks and a healer. Then people start bailing out. 2 mins later the group only has Jimmy and a BLM who's AFK. Disband.
OK... let's see the other PF groups.
"T10 farm party. 100 sol = kick"
"T10 clear party, know fight or GTFO"
"T10 farm, need EXP"
So Jimmy goes on the DF again. after one hour of waiting, he gets a group. One wipe, tank goes all "you guys SUCK" and leave. 4 people leave in sequence. Vote Abandon comes.
Now,... what's the ONLY option left for Jimmy, I ask of you?

That's why. You can make the party but what good is it when noone who could help with any real experience doesn't join? I see these party's and they never fill up. Thus being said whether you make it or join it, they dont fill and people leave.

Or hell, maybe join a decent FC or LS. People who can't get groups for clears aren't completely blameless. Standing there screaming "no one wants to help me" and only making a half-assed attempt to try isn't going to do any good.

Ive tried out a few FC's. My husband tried a few others. all are -good- but they aren't much help. usually you'll see a fc/ls static or two that only go as the static, occasionally allowing a fc/ls member pug who as the other guy stated "is on farm status, no wipes" Too many put too much faith behind what a fc will help people do, when in reality the majority of fc's ive been in or heard my friends talk about just become small man cliques inside regardless.

I hate to say it, but maybe the problem in your examples is the player base on your server. :/

Possibly.. but the person your arguing with isn't on my server and everything he says rings truth to my server as well, and same can be said from similar complaints as this by multiple people on multiple forums on every server.

Sure the op can whine about how she wants too look at elitisim and change it's meaning (though I don't know why anyone would want to, I prefer to be considered a "End game or "skilled" player myself..) But the complaints are legit reasons why it's hard for people to progress. Yes, sometimes it is a case of a entitled whiney new age mmo'er who feels they deserve easy mode, but people seem to get this impression it's one side or the other, you cant have both a struggle to achieve goals while working hard because lucks just not in your favor. I have many very skilled friends who struggle not because they couldn't beat this stuff but because they join the wrong static, the one that falls apart and can't get a decent new one because now those statics want someone with more experience. If you do not jump on the bandwagon days after a fight is released it is very difficult to beat it.

I am considered a skilled player and I can beat things but due to some serious pregnancy issuies myself I spent the last 2 months in the hospital. Now could I have beaten t13? yep. Can I push myself to win? Of course. Can I join a pt because no one fills on the learning pts and I can't join the win partys because im not on farm status? Nope. This is a case where even as a Endgame orientated player as I might be unforeseen circumstances happened and now what? Im considered lowly? I don't try hard enough? I should just make that PF that never fills and then accept that I just don't have skill enough to win? Though many points are true on both sides of the argument in this topic people need to consider yes, it is hard to catch up sometimes if you didn't jump on the ball. And just because some people are having worse luck then you did doesn't mean they don't have a right to complain about the lack of help or wish they could get a lucky break because they -know- if they did they could farm it easily. Im not talking about entitled whiners here, im talking about people who do literally try and try hard but fall into unlucky scenarios that do happen.

[Purrfectstorm]

One thing I'd like to ask, though: Do said 'elitists' make money off of people who NEED to clear?

I'm still against this in Behemoth because even if they haven't cleared it, why should I have to pay for content clears? Because nobody else will do it? Because DF can be full of assholes at times? Or is it because the new people attempting said content just don't care anymore?

Let alone, that's just a risk some people are willing to take with clear sellers. Most of the time in Behemoth I see things like "Selling T9-T13. You die and keep loot!" and even EX Primals for that matter. If it was possible, I'd want to stop it so that people are a bit more willing to help those who need the clear instead of just stand there and wait for the next moneybags to come along.

I imagine some people do make money off those needing to clear but I doubt those same people would help out of the kindness of their hearts if selling clears was against ToS. I don't know about other servers but on Cactuar it is plenty possible to get help for older content. It's not like there's a lot of hard content (or content period). Clearing T5 or Titan EX is trivial for a competent group. T9 is a lot harder but there are a ton of T9 groups on Cactuar still. I regularly 1-shot most EX primals in DF so I doubt these are holding people up too much (I can't be that lucky). I guess my point is that run sellers and people willing to help newbies are not the same people at all.