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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst View Post
    The info is that he's missing an eye and that he's the only one of the seven to be blue, matching the description of Nidhogg.
    First you said it wasn't Nidhogg, now you saing that he is ? ok lol.
    He seem to more white than blue.
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    I mean the dark one. The dark one is blue. The white one may not be missing the eye, but the dark blue one certainly is.
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    There have been a few fansites with the 'new' celestial dragon arts and the like. All of them refer to the white and black dragons as Hraesvelgr and Nidhogg.

    https://twitter.com/ffworldcom/statu...48854241157121
    http://www.finaland.com/?rub=site&page=news&id=5438
    http://games.52pk.com/ff14/xinwen/6400270.shtml
    http://ff14.178.com/201504/224187370812.html

    The white dragon being Hraesvelgr fits a little better with the rl lore but I still find it easier to make 2 eyes than 1 on the black dragon though both his eyes appear to be heavily scarred.
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    Given all lore of Nidhogg in previous games, and in lore in general outside of SE titles, he's almost always depicted as a dark (often purple, black or dark blue.) dragon. I think it would be silly to presume he's white in this case, considering it's a Japanese game and Japanese consider white to be a pure colour and once more almost always stick to their stereotypes of assigned personalities, all evidence is against Nidhogg appearing as white.
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    Wait we fighting the celestial dragons? I'll call Monkey D. Luffy so he can sucker punch them.

    But in all seriousness this is cool fighting the high dragons but if you ask me Nidhogg seems a bit smaller than a certain dragon certain that is fought on a bridge of course if that dragon was a female then ya ok seams like Nidhogg is the fight size.
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    Given that the concept art of the white dragon is pretty obvious in highlighting his missing eye it would seem strange to me for him to not be Nidhogg.

    We also have enough evidence to see that the dark blue dragon does indeed have two eyes. If you look at the piece of him on his own you can see his left eye. If you then look at the artwork of all seven of them you can see his right eye (he's the bottom-middle one).

    The white dragon is definitely Nidhogg.

    Bahamut would have to be the one on the middle-right as it's the only one with horns that remotely match his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    I think I'm going to go with;

    1) Nidhogg or not Nidhogg. Astral alignment.
    2) Tiamat, as I recall her pallet was usually green? Wind alignment, duh.
    3) Quezacotl, that nose/horn seems lightning-y to me. Lightning alignment.
    4) Now I'm not sure on names, but lets go with XI and pick Ouryu. Earth alignment.
    5) Nidhogg or not Nidhogg. Blue here, black in the benchmark. Water or Ice? Just because Coerthas is now a frozen wasteland and Lady Iceheart/Shiva have sided up with the dragons, I'm going with an Ice alignment and that this actually is Nidhogg. Wait he breaths fire in the benchmark... Whatever... I'll get to that, kinda...
    6 & 7) No bleedin' idea. They both seem red-ish. The others worked much better for giving them an elemental alignment... Ones Fire ones Water. I'll be honest, I gave up naming them since other than Tiamat they'll all be wrong no matter what I say (though they could once again turn the green Wind Fiend into a red fire dragon and I'll have a major hissy fit as a result, I guess). What's important is the elemental alignment.

    Not shown;

    8) Bahamut. Dead, hence not actually shown. Given, he was a Primal at the time, but he did usher in the Seventh Umbral Era, which given the way those are tied to elements, lets call the Seventh Umbral Era of Darkness. So Umbral alignment; the element for each is related to Eras rather than what they breath at us. Perhaps they all had an involvement in the Calamities? We're told the earth swallowed up the Crystal Tower following its activation, but what if Ouryu (or whatever he gets called) played a part in that?

    This is probably a crazy idea, but you really cannot have seven Celestials... You have eight. One for each element. That's the rule (which I made up). Bonus points; Bahamut was born first, and caused the final/most recent Calamity, coming full circle... somethingsomethingCirclesomethingRebirthsomethingShinryusomethingsomethingOmegasomething...

    It does also just now dawn on me that Midgardsormr could be considered the eighth (or rather first), in which case; yay! I prefer my other theory if I'm honest.
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    Actually upon closer inspection with the higher-quality image, I'm fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. It looks close enough... owe the more "mechanized" appearance of primal Bahamut to the fact he's a primal or to modifications made to him while being incarcerated in Dalamud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr-Umbra View Post
    considering it's a Japanese game and Japanese consider white to be a pure colour
    This is incorrect. In Japanese and Chinese culture, White is associated with Death and impurity. When you die, you become pale and white. This is also why you never give White gifts to Japanese, where gift giving is an art and the gifts you give hold meaning based on the most subtle things. To give a white gift would mean you want someone to die. In the Yin and Yang, white represents light, but it has its impure black spot for a reason.

    Furthermore, Nidhogg is not color locked: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Nidhogg

    He was only Black in XI due to him being a Super Fafnir.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Actually upon closer inspection with the higher-quality image, I'm fairly certain 4 is Bahamut. It looks close enough... owe the more "mechanized" appearance of primal Bahamut to the fact he's a primal or to modifications made to him while being incarcerated in Dalamud.
    I'm inclined to agree that 4, the gold dragon, is Bahamut as it matches most closely the concept art for Bahamut which also depicts him as black and gold.
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    I'd stop short of calling Bahamut gold. Minor-ish spoilers ahoy from FCoB I guess:
    Bahamut is augmented by Allagan technology, and those gold platings are heavily implied to be Allagan armor fitted to him; likewise in T13 those gold-pieces have turned bluish. What exactly that means I don't know, but again leads us away from gold

    Additionally, some of the rougher Bahamut concept art shows us this actually, that the gold-plating of Bahamut isn't part of his natural self:
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