If the benefit of having a Zeta in 3.0 is not worthwhile - new players will suffer

[Maero]

Well i have done both Bard and drg before atma drop rate increase (drg i have animus) Bard had taken me a little over 3 months to get all 12 atmas ( i did a few hrs per day)
I also have like i mentioned a drg Animus, Ninja Novus is 38/75 complete. Also now working on blm Relic (40/75 complete) so yeah well over 100 hrs for me and my Yoichi Bow Zeta when all said and done has cost me probably over 2 mil even over 3.
I really hope the "taken into consideration" will not be a slap in the face for all of this as i will not be very pleased at all with SE.
As for the current Zeta i believe it was actually said to still be relevant until new Relic comes out, who knows....

Also Whocareswhatmynameis, sorry but you are just ignorant

[LineageRazor]

If you regret the choice you made then it's no1s fault cept yours.

That's the point. SE NEEDS people running old content, and that's what the relic grind is all about. If SE makes the relic grinders unhappy, people will stop grinding relics, and probably won't bother with the new Heavensward relic. If people stop grinding relics, then there's a whole lot less people running old dungeons and FATEs.

Folks running Alexander (Savage) to get their weapons does not help new players through old content. Therefore, SE needs to make Relics and Heavensward Relics attractive and rewarding options.

If you regret the choice you made, then you won't make that choice again, right? And other people will try not to make that choice as well, right? If that happens, then SE has failed, because they WANT people to make that choice.

[LalaRu]

new players will suffer

Well, all the new players just will queue duties and play together and take their time to complete them, without the need of those 'veterans' that feels so special that they demand incentives to play duties, and thinking they are so special and so needed, that their opinion on which incentives are worth of their precious presence is something devs have to take account or else those special veterans leave and game dies without them.

[Warlyx]

Well, all the new players just will queue duties and play together and take their time to complete them, without the need of those 'veterans' that feels so special that they demand incentives to play duties, and thinking they are so special and so needed, that their opinion on which incentives are worth of their precious presence is something devs have to take account or else those special veterans leave and game dies without them.

yeah because newbies want to be stuck on old content for months instead of doing the heavenward content , same goes for veterans , why do aurum vale for the 50th time when u could be exploring the skys of heavensward or doing content that awards gear u that want to wear and use on actual content.

Relics are going to be nerfed or forgotten if u want to get 1 endure the pain of farming old content for hours.

[Nadrojj]

I'm currently working on my Zeta lights right now from base relic to relic zeta has been a very long journey. A lot of time has been invested in it and sometimes I wonder if it's really worth it. If you save up enough Poe you can get an ironworks weapon and upgrade it. If it becomes obsolete or offers only a minimal leg up in starting the next quest grind I will seriously reconsider starting the next relic grind.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

That's the point. SE NEEDS people running old content, and that's what the relic grind is all about. If SE makes the relic grinders unhappy, people will stop grinding relics, and probably won't bother with the new Heavensward relic. If people stop grinding relics, then there's a whole lot less people running old dungeons and FATEs.

Folks running Alexander (Savage) to get their weapons does not help new players through old content. Therefore, SE needs to make Relics and Heavensward Relics attractive and rewarding options.

If you regret the choice you made, then you won't make that choice again, right? And other people will try not to make that choice as well, right? If that happens, then SE has failed, because they WANT people to make that choice.

And if they give everyone free relics they still wont run old content. Ultimately your going to be given the exact same choice. Do Alexander hard for top tier weapon, wait til 3.1 and grind a bunch of easy stuff for top tier. Or have a weapon that's not top tier, probably some kind of weapon from the primals.

They can't make the best weapon in the game also the easiest to obtain. If they do that then they might as well only bother making one weapon, cuz that will be the weapon everyone gets.

[LineageRazor]

And if they give everyone free relics they still wont run old content. Ultimately your going to be given the exact same choice. Do Alexander hard for top tier weapon, wait til 3.1 and grind a bunch of easy stuff for top tier. Or have a weapon that's not top tier, probably some kind of weapon from the primals.

They can't make the best weapon in the game also the easiest to obtain. If they do that then they might as well only bother making one weapon, cuz that will be the weapon everyone gets.

Who says anything about free anything? No one is expecting SE to hand Heavenward relics to zeta owners on a silver platter. But by giving Zeta-owners a leg up on the new Relic content, it reassures folks, "See, all this old-content-grinding we're having you do ISN'T a waste of time, since it will give you a head start on the next big thing!" This encourages folks to go ahead and do the grind. While it's true that even Relics will eventually become outdated, people will know that there's something special waiting for them once it's time to retire their Relic.

So, why should Relics get this when Dreadwyrm don't? Because Relics are a lot more work, and it's dreadfully boring work at that. With raids, once you manage to pull together a competent raiding group (and yes, this is a huge challenge, I'm well aware), raids generally aren't all that hard. Even when they ARE hard, they generally aren't BORING. Or, at least, they don't get boring until your raid group has them on EZ Farm mode and are just waiting for the random number gods to finally drop the items they're after (and even that little problem will be going away with Alexander's Token system).

If SE wants people to consent to doing boring work instead of exciting work, they are going to need to provide incentives and reassurance that all that boring work won't be for nothing once the next shiny thing comes along. Getting raid drops is a lot more exciting and fun than grinding out Relics, and SE knows it. So, they need to make sure that Relic grinders get some extra love.

[Arkista]

Didn't read all the pages, but from the last live letter.

"Players will be able to undertake duties with smaller pre-made parties using a new option in the Duty Finder. For example, you’ll be able to enter a dungeon with just two players. We’ll make further adjustments for this so new players can follow as well. With this feature you’ll also be able to challenge the Coil of Bahamut with 7 players."

So I'm sure new players will not have a hard time getting it done.