Raiding Progression Thread (2.4 and onwards)

[HoodRat]

I don't believe that's a very good metaphor. As you said, he didn't seek recognition but he was sought after. Equating that to this would be someone seeking out those who cleared savage and putting them in this thread instead of the people who actually cleared doing it.

I'm not trying to say savage is easy or take away anyone's accomplishment, I just don't believe that recognition should be given for clearing something after surpassing the specs it was designed for, even if it is the first clear on the server; especially with the notion of "fcob has 10% echo it's irrelevant now." If anyone here truly seeks recognition for clearing savage, they should have boarded that train before it left the station.

It's obvious people here are becoming extremely defensive about it, especially with statements that savage cannot be "cheesed" with 130 gear when that was nowhere near what I said. I doubt I will be unable to persuade all of you, whether it's because I don't make a convincing argument or you are just simply incapable of understanding. I will take my leave now. I am disappointed that a few people decided to turn a simple question into a game of childish banter.

[Kezy_Kaatapoh]

I don't believe that's a very good metaphor. As you said, he didn't seek recognition but he was sought after. Equating that to this would be someone seeking out those who cleared savage and putting them in this thread instead of the people who actually cleared doing it.

That is not what I said. He DID seek recognition. He would most likely not do such insane stunts were he not to get recognition for them.

But if I were to use your logic, that would mean we shouldn't recognize any clears for any of FCOB that wasn't done in i110. That's what it was designed for after all. Anything more is "surpassing the specs it was designed for." Personally, I think we should track all organized clears (I would even argue for the possibility of opening it up to recognizing individual groups that may be part of the same FC for their accomplishments as opposed to just tracking FC progression, but that's a separate argument). I think our (admittedly sparse) raiding scene should be celebrated, not held back by some saying, "you were too late." So I have to strongly disagree with your sentiment. A server first, or really any clear of difficult content, especially when that content is still the most difficult content in the game, regardless of gear, should be celebrated by our server, not dismissed due to it's timing.

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I'm not trying to say savage is easy or take away anyone's accomplishment, I just don't believe that recognition should be given for clearing something after surpassing the specs it was designed for, even if it is the first clear on the server; especially with the notion of "fcob has 10% echo it's irrelevant now." If anyone here truly seeks recognition for clearing savage, they should have boarded that train before it left the station.
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You're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but, to be blunt, that doesn't change the fact that something like T13, especially with echo, isn't particularly significant when compared to something like Savage 7 or 9. Sorry if that upsets you, but it's the truth.

Of course, Ash said he'd keep tracking anyways, so it shouldn't be a problem.