Dark Knight: how i dream about it

[Donjo]

Vit is on every single piece of gear for every single class (accessories are exempt from this because they aren't class specific) so Vit must be the main stat for every class in the game zomg!!!!11111111one

You missed the other half of that sentence. they can Need roll on. Accessories are not exempt from this because they are very class specific when they drop in a dungeon.

Everything Monks and Dragoons can roll Need on has Strength on it.
Everything Healers can roll Need on has Mind on it.
Everything Casters can roll Need on has Intelligence on it.
Everything Bards and Ninjas can roll Need on has Dexterity on it.
Everything Tanks can roll Need on has Vitality on it.

While you can swap the accessories around as you please, the rolling rules quite clearly demonstrate that some are meant for certain jobs over others. The way this is separated out is through their Main Stat. Add together their modifiers (of Fending, of Casting, etc.) and you'll also see that they fit in a set! And you know what sets are meant to do? Be worn together!

[HoodRat]

Nah see, I arbitrarily exempted accessories in order to make a ludicrous point, the same how you did with scholars and the intelligence trait. And you forgot to say that Vit is a main stat for tanks because that's the stat bonus they give for being in a party, then exempt scholars from that too because they give piety and not mind. And as for Dragoons, they can need roll on lower level tank gear, so let's make Dragoon a tank class too. :3

[SpookyGhost]

VIT definitely isn't the main stat of tanks. I personally go into raids with as little HP as humanly possible (personally use the Artisan's crafted set for this, melded with STR of course), do as much damage as I can, and then yell at the healers when I die.

[Donjo]

Nah see, I arbitrarily exempted accessories in order to make a ludicrous point, the same how you did with scholars and the intelligence trait. And you forgot to say that Vit is a main stat for tanks because that's the stat bonus they give for being in a party, then exempt scholars from that too because they give piety and not mind. And as for Dragoons, they can need roll on lower level tank gear, so let's make Dragoon a tank class too. :3

Except that Scholars have a very good reason to be "arbitrarily" given intelligence traits: traits are based on the class and not the job. I suppose Scholars give Piety in a party so that at least something does? Either way, you had no reason to exempt accessories other than to sound incredibly silly, but that seems to have been your intention all along given that you claim to be making a joke. In that case, I apologize for the bite in my previous reply.

Since we're going back and forth with ways that show what class/job main stats are, though, here's another one: with no gear equipped, a job's Main Stat is the Primary Stat(STR, DEX, VIT, INT, MND, PIE) that has the highest value.

[HoodRat]

I'm not trying to troll, I just like using sarcasm and stuff to make my points. XD Is that your definition of a main stat or is there an official one? All vit does is increase hp afaik, and there's more to tanking than just hp.

[Seferex]

It\\'s hard for me to envision DRK as doing more DPS than a Warrior. Much more damage for a tank (compared to current pld/war are capable of) out of tank stance gets you DPS-class numbers but with outsized survival, that\\'s just overpowered. Much more in tank stance seems like it\\'s just unfair to the other tanks, especially pld.

Sorry but I don\\'t agree.

I think its normal that any class has its own rules..
If you follow your idea, all DPS should be the same...
So a mnk should be able to do aoe DPS like a blm?
Or a brd should do the same DPS as a DRG?

Jobs are different, if pld complains about DPS, they just should take another job...

That\\'s why I would make the drk with less vit and no mitigation (only the shields should mitigate), so that you can have something different and still be not OP... Ofc I\\'m not a developer and don\\'t have idea about the math behind all this..

Just IMO ofc

[alphamax112]

Fixed this for you. VIT is like ACC, once you have enough more is useless. STR is the stat that you stack as much as possible for WAR/PLD just like it is for MNK/DRG. The only difference is PLD/WAR have higher VIT requirements.

No, Sir, no. I didn't talk about how you gear yourself. I mean in the party list, you should be a VIT instead of STR. Giving a DRK STR/INT/PIE main stat is just wrong in so many ways.

Yeah 99% sure they will share gear with PLD/WAR. So they will be STR/VIT unless there is some Cleric stance type ability to mix things up.

I don't know if you're just trolling or what. This statement negate your previous one. Sharing gears with PLD/WAR means your gear will have the EXACT SAME stat as PLD/WAR.

VIT definitely isn't the main stat of tanks. I personally go into raids with as little HP as humanly possible (personally use the Artisan's crafted set for this, melded with STR of course), do as much damage as I can, and then yell at the healers when I die.

You really have raid-wise DPS trauma, right? I'm sorry Sir, by seeing your profile at Lodestone, I wonder how much DPS you can deal with those so many i90 gears at T13. If your dps is lower than 250 dps end-raid-non-stop-parsing then you're just burdening your healer. Of course you can survive with echo, but I'm pretty sure pre-echo with that gear, even 3rd Akh Morn can kill you, not mentioning 5th.

[matteoxyz]

One thought I have is that tanking already involves constantly managing aggro, if you are having to pay equal attention to DPS output and mana conservation, this will be an extremely difficult class to play.

[SpookyGhost]

You really have raid-wise DPS trauma, right? I'm sorry Sir, by seeing your profile at Lodestone, I wonder how much DPS you can deal with those so many i90 gears at T13. If your dps is lower than 250 dps end-raid-non-stop-parsing then you're just burdening your healer. Of course you can survive with echo, but I'm pretty sure pre-echo with that gear, even 3rd Akh Morn can kill you, not mentioning 5th.

That was called:

A joke.

O:

Edit: Sorry, did you just say my current gear couldn't survive the 3rd or 5th Akh? Do you know how t13 works? I have 10k HP inside a party, without food. That alone is enough to survive every Akh with proper CD usage pre-echo. I can't figure out what this post is supposed to be. Is it also a joke? Maybe mine went over your head and your's went over mine?

[Seferex]

Guys can you avoid to fight in a topic that was made just to share passions and ideas? ^^"