Formal Letter to SE about RMT situation.

[Kuwaitum]

Actually, Bots and Player bot programs don't exactly have a time value of zero. Even with the best teleporting bots, there still is a limited amount of shards that a bot can gather in an hour. doing a small google search (and not even clicking the links), most gathering bots can only gather a maximum of 600-700 items per hour. that's 16,800 max per day of paid subscription. its a lot larger amount than any normal player has, but its a far cry from zero time value..

Again, i repeat. Zero value. a non-zero value is a value that consumes a real person's time. in which case both a real person and a BOT user are paying the exact same subscription.

16K shards a day. Set the BOT and go out for a whole day. Work, shop, hang with friends, and go to the movies. For the Cry, a person gathers on his own all day, and the other lives the fullest day knowing that he will have his 16K shards ready to use. Now that's fair, isn't it?

Another thing, why aren't RMTs/BOTs selling shards as they used to in Sep-Dec 2013, ie. in range of 20 gil a shard?

[tocsin]

Again, i repeat. Zero value. a non-zero value is a value that consumes a real person's time. in which case both a real person and a BOT user are paying the exact same subscription.

16K shards a day. Set the BOT and go out for a whole day. Work, shop, hang with friends, and go to the movies. For the Cry, a person gathers on his own all day, and the other lives the fullest day knowing that he will have his 16K shards ready to use. Now that's fair, isn't it?

Another thing, why aren't RMTs/BOTs selling shards as they used to in Sep-Dec 2013, ie. in range of 20 gil a shard?

Not saying that its fair, just making the point that it isn't at zero value.

Not everyone who bots does so completely AFK. otherwise, you would see a bunch of broken bots. many people use bots in order to do the same thing they would be doing normally, but for a longer period of time at a faster pace.

I knew someone in the fc I was in a few months ago who did that. he was actually there, and was one of the primary gatherers for the FC, but had to resort to botting, just because his in-game workload (dealing with requests for materials) became more than he could handle on his own. he would still watch it go, and type in chat and enjoy his multiplayer experience, he just let the program handle his boring tasks for him.

then, even botting couldn't keep up the requests, and he inevitably fell behind and lost a bunch of gil in delivery guarantees and bankrupted his character. Goes to show that even bots have limits.

Personally, this thread is about RMT. I care about hindering and blockading RMT at every corner. Player run bots aren't even on my radar of things I have issues with. Bigger fish to fry.

[Zabuza]

Does anyone know why RMTs send you friends requests? I usually don't even get one accompanied by a /tell, just randomly(pretty much always from some variation of "gg" and "sellgil". What can RMTs possibly get out of this besides harassing you?

[tocsin]

Does anyone know why RMTs send you friends requests? I usually don't even get one accompanied by a /tell, just randomly(pretty much always from some variation of "gg" and "sellgil". What can RMTs possibly get out of this besides harassing you?

If you accept it, they will usually spam your mog mail with gil selling messages. They are preying on people just randomly accepting friend requests from anyone.

[Adire]

I hear the "Special Task Force" whispering to my ear.

"You know you want that easy gil. You know where to download the bots. Come on. Try. Just for a little while. It's OK. We don't judge."

I already started mass-crafting Sanguine Scepters since it's their weapon of choice. Quick Square, I'm on the eeeeedge.

What would you say if I told you...one of the special task force members is a bot in disguise?!

[Spoekes]

The real issue here is not the Gil Sellers themself, but that their business is profitable.

A demand will ultimatly lead to a market.

Players must stop buying gils (they do, the amount of sellers indicates it), or be prepared for being able to buy gil in the mogstation.

[tocsin]

Players must stop buying gils (they do, the amount of sellers indicates it), or be prepared for being able to buy gil in the mogstation.

Personally, I would not really be against this. Granted, I have been more of an advocate of a PLEX system, allowing players to pay each others subscription time in return for gil, but even just a pure gil fountain would be effective.

Would sure get the market running, at least faster than it does now.

[BobbinT]

Players must stop buying gils (they do, the amount of sellers indicates it)...

I fear this would be a losing battle... ^^;

[LandricFrey]

What would you say if I told you...one of the special task force members is a bot in disguise?!

lol That would have been perfect for the task force thread

[TrajanVerus]

I started playing about a week ago and here is the number of RMT's I have had to blacklist: 109/200.

Now blacklisting is fairly easy to do, however, I have a MAJOR complaint. Clearing my blacklist is going to take me an hour when I reach 200/200 which should be within the first two weeks of play. PLEASE, consider making it possible to mass delete from your blacklist. The confirmation button required for each deletion is a cute feature, but I'm not sure it makes sense. Logically, if a player is going through the trouble to review and clear out their blacklist, they have probably already committed to the process and a confirmation is ridiculously redundant.