The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

[Alise]

fighting back would only serve t o prove we killed sultana. also there seems to be bigger players behind the monetarists, if you watch the cs after the credits ( very important cutscenes btw !!)

-You just have to fight back until you can capture the real bad guy (which is right in front of you!). Then everything will be solved.
Will you believe me or not? Sooner or later, we will have to fight back anyway. If we fight back now, this end in 5 min, if we fight back later, this end in dozen of chapters. You simply give your enemy time to pull distant and guard himself, or obtain new power, whatever.

-Your character still have Echo. Or you can still ask Minfilia to do it. (Big players behind the scene or whatever, we will learn everything by using Echo, then we go for that guy!)

-Your character not have 8 party, but still have all the strongest heroes from Scions, and a Grand company champion. I can't see how we lose to those no name around the hall. And actually, we can bring another 8 WoL warp into party from any situation, just like when Minfilia got captured by darkness, we were alone, but suddenly, pop up 8 WoL!!

[Mimiru_S]

-You just have to fight back until you can capture the real bad guy (which is right in front of you!). Then everything will be solved.
Will you believe me or not? Sooner or later, we will have to fight back anyway. If we fight back now, this end in 5 min, if we fight back later, this end in dozen of chapters. You simply give your enemy time to pull distant and guard himself, or obtain new power, whatever.

If we had fought back, we would have appeared guilty of the crime and looked like we were trying to silence any witnesses. Also, it wouldn't have been just those Brass Blades, in the Sultana's chambers. It would have eventually been the entirety of the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves. A lot of whom may have just been following orders, so by fighting back against ever Blade/Brave we came across would have meant a lot of innocent injuries/casualties. There's a time to fight and a time to stand down and wait. This just happened to be the latter.

[Rannie]

I was just re watching the cut scenes the "bad" Crystal Braves had already rounded up all the ones that were loyal to the Scions

Eh the actual quote for that is

Sir. Barring a few exceptions, we have detained all those with allegiance to the Scions. The Rising Stones is also under our control.

[Alise]

Winner write the history, loser get the blame. I think it is way better if you don't flee away and become temporary loser to give them time to burn you. Just capture the heads figures and use Echo there right on spot and your name will always be clean before any of story goes out of control.

If you don't want to kill solders then you can at least knock them or something. (But you end up killing them while you run away anyway. Scions Npc seem to kill them). Although those crystal brave gang deserved to die, they seem know everything but goes for money despite we gave them chance to redeem themselves before.

[Viridiana]

Just capture the heads figures and use Echo there right on spot and your name will always be clean before any of story goes out of control.

Except the Echo doesn't prove anything to people without the Echo. To everyone else, it looks like you're wincing and pulling information out of your backside. Sure, it helps you investigate, but it can't be the crux of your information.

[Cynthis]

Pushing us towards Ishgard in this way also seems strange. Surely Merlwyb and Kan would welcome us to either Limsa or Gridania as an ally. Merlwyb states that their own state comes first and then the alliance. If they stay in an alliance with an Ul'dah run by the monetarists after a coup they merely legitimize them. So for Limsa and Gridania to break off ties with the new Ul'dah regime, a regime they surely despise and certainly don't trust for a moment, makes a lot more sense and then taking us in is just another way of showing their solidarity with the legitimate ruler...who ever that is if the sultana is truly dead.

In that case, it would also make a lot more sense for us to go to Limsa/Gridania to stand by our allies than run away to Ishgard.

[Rannie]

Pushing us towards Ishgard in this way also seems strange. Surely Merlwyb and Kan would welcome us to either Limsa or Gridania as an ally. Merlwyb states that their own state comes first and then the alliance. If they stay in an alliance with an Ul'dah run by the monetarists after a coup they merely legitimize them. So for Limsa and Gridania to break off ties with the new Ul'dah regime, a regime they surely despise and certainly don't trust for a moment, makes a lot more sense and then taking us in is just another way of showing their solidarity with the legitimate ruler...who ever that is if the sultana is truly dead.

In that case, it would also make a lot more sense for us to go to Limsa/Gridania to stand by our allies than run away to Ishgard.

. dsko;afjdkjf;a (stupid 10 char minimum and restrictions)

And there's also the political ramifications involved with them doing that Ul'dah can see it as them aiding and abetting fugitives and a lot of other stupid stuff that is political and boring. Also as the WoL and Alphinaud are supposed to be not beholden to any one of the city states that would give which ever state an edge over the other and not entirely a good thing. Remember it was with reluctance that minfillia even said to go ahead and join a grand company and that was pretty much only in name and honor.

[Cynthis]

Fair enough but that was when there were three fairly equal city states all with legitimate and stable rule. Does it really make sense for Merlwyb and Kan to keep working with the monetarists as an equal and trusted partner? Gridania doesn't seem to have much of an internal political struggle but for Merlwyb she would certainly want to make sure that the pirate factions and Limsa population in general don't see that having a coup would mean nothing changed in relation to the alliance and that they would happily be welcomed to participate as before.

[Rannie]

well pointed out there. And you are still welcomed in those two cities since i've talked to most people in those cities to check things out already after playing through the story line. one second I'm still re watching the cutscenes for shiggles...


right now still on whiney emo alphinaud during the carriage ride

and of course it skips the whole cut scene between you cid alphinaud and pippin.... i could have sworn they were deciding where to go in that part and why...

ahhh yes the words that bring some thought back to me they're there for asylum and for the secrecy of going to ishgard. Going to Grid or Limsa would be like lighting a beacon for them. To me it makes sense to go where no one will expect it. Uldah is expecting grid and limsa to open their arms to the Champion (which they still have) but for safety of everyone it is better that they go to the place they would be least expected to run to thus it would be ishgard.

not to mention all the crap that's going on in Ishgard where they would be most grateful of your assistance. (yaay for killing two birds with one stone)

And just thought of something else... the crystal braves aren't in Coerthas nor are they in Ishgard were as they are all over limsa and Grid still. Plus with Isghard's thing against people from other countries coming it's a perfect place to hide since anyone inquiring will have the door shut on their ass on the way out. well before they can even get in for that matter.

[Cilia]

In that case, it would also make a lot more sense for us to go to Limsa/Gridania to stand by our allies than run away to Ishgard.

Both Limsa and Gridania can't openly support us, at least when talking about relations with Ul'dah, since we're enemies of the state. At the same time they won't order their military forces to actively hunt us down because they know we're innocent. Essentially they're turning a blind eye to us right now, and that'll probably continue into 3.x. Ul'dah is still similarly "safe" because they're withholding information on the incident, but word's going to have to get out eventually as to where the Sultana is. Exactly how that information hitting the streets changes Ul'dah, and how Ul'dahn infrastructure will run without the Sultanate... nobody really knows.

Ishgard really is the best place to seek asylum; because it's not actually a member of the Alliance they don't have to worry about openly supporting you without souring relations with Ul'dah, and Ishgard isn't well-known for its good relations anyway. They'll probably try to keep it on the down-low anyway to try and avoid Ul'dah declaring war on them.

Nobody's quite sure how the coup in Ul'dah is going to affect regional politics yet.