"I Was Out of That!" (Some Life Lessons)

[seida]

Mind if I ask where you are?

Not everything is down to connection as has already been explained. I am on a JP server and get zero lag, and my connection isn't particularly great. If the servers were that bad everyone would get lag, but that's not the case.

[Tyrn]

That is a very long sentence.

I ramble a lot at 4AM.

[LunaHoshino]

Titan EX is a terrible example to use for anything not just because of issues with server-client positional update lag, but also due to graphical lag as well. I have Coil up through T10 and all of the other EX Primals on farm and yet I can't clear Titan EX because Weight of the Land cuts my framerate in half and causes massive graphical lag that I can't always dodge even if I start moving as soon as the cast bar starts. There is literally nothing I can do about this-- I turn my graphics down to the absolute lowest settings and it still happens. There isn't a single other fight in the game that gives me issues the way Titan EX (and sometimes even HM) does. I've had other friends say they experience the same problem, some on PC and some on PS3. Most of them are also in Final Coil, so it's not an issue of "git gud." It's a legitimate problem with the way the fight is designed.

[Zephyranthes]

This is entirely your opinion. Some people actually care.

[Kyandeisu]

Mind if I ask where you are?

Not everything is down to connection as has already been explained. I am on a JP server and get zero lag, and my connection isn't particularly great. If the servers were that bad everyone would get lag, but that's not the case.

im in singapore. but i am aware not everything is down to connection as not everyone has issues with this. But i was simply putting that claiming it was "just an excuse" is ridiculous as there are some pplz that this is the legit case. And I know its partly due to my location which cannot be helped since I had moved from america to here right before the game came out of closed beta.

[Lilyarel]

It's funny how many people will link those exact 'year old' videos knowing that the positional server response has improved by a huge margin since then.

Those aren't proof, it's about time to stop linking them.

It doesnt matter. The server issue is still there. I had one a couple months ago with Titan. Clearly out of the AOE, still get knocked off.

This is proof. Its about time to start accepting it.

[Pavise]

It's not so much of a server issue it's a disjoint between the cast bars and animations going off, if you're still in the area of effect when the cast bar ends you will get knocked into oblivion. It's best to keep the boss on focus target for mechanics like these.

This all coming from an Australian who uses a VPN and plays on a Canadian server.

[Purrfectstorm]

The thing that this thread has erked me the most is claiming its an excuse.

Excuse: To explain (a fault or offense) in the hope of being forgiven or understood; try to justify.

Claiming lag is the reason you're failing, true or not is literally an excuse by definition.

I've said this multiple times in this thread but I'll repeat yet again: I never said that lag is not real. Only that players have to work harder if you can't do your part and in some cases it will be impossible to get a clear if all players can't do their part. Nobody really cares whether your lag is real or not. If you're dying over and over, you're screwing up the run. That your lag is real actually makes the problem worse because there is no reasonable expectation that you might suddenly lag less i.e. you're not going to be any more helpful if your party members are patient with you.

I can empathize with players who have lag troubles. I still don't want them in my party and neither do most other players. Raging in party chat, being really vocal how you were out of every aoe really accomplishes nothing. It's not that players don't believe you. THEY. JUST. DON'T. CARE.

This is entirely your opinion. Some people actually care.

I believe that excuses (explanations or reasons, if you prefer) ring hollow both in the real world and in game. The prime concern of most people is whether you can deliver. I think this is generalizable to 99% of people you will ever meet. I'm willing to admit a very small percentage might actually be like "Oh you're lagging? Why don't you just stay in the lava pit and we'll get this for you." LOL (did I mention it's a VERY small percentage?). But if it makes you feel better allow me to rephrase: I DON'T CARE.

[Lilyarel]

*snip*

"Work Harder"? You saw the 2 videos. What else could they have done to avoid that? In the video I demonstrated, he was the first one to start moving. Youre blaming people for something thats out of their control. Yes, its an excuse. But it doesnt mean its not valid. Thats like saying, "Well its your fault a plane crashed on your ISP's servers and cant play anymore." Theres nothing more irritating than clearly avoiding something and the server giving you the finger and getting hit anyway. It defies all your gaming skills.

[Purrfectstorm]

"Work Harder"? You saw the 2 videos.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I think people should work harder if they're lagging. I think if you're lagging so badly that you can't perform your job, you shouldn't even pollute the DF by queuing. Wait until a better night or something. If a player goes on in party chat about how they're lagging it's either:

a) they're telling the truth, we write them off as useless - they can't get better if lag is to blame (i.e. it's not really their fault)
b) they're lying to save face - they probably won't get better because they're not personally accountable

At least if option b is the case, there's a chance the player might improve. Regardless, you're useless in assisting with the only thing random strangers really want from you - your full contribution to the group's success.

Also, lag is real. No one doubts it. But I encounter "lagging" players about 100x more than players who admit a screw up. Common sense suggests that at least some of the "lagging" players really just suck and don't want to be accountable.