The amazing thing about "No Sol Bonus" in PF is...

[AlexionSkylark]

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I'll make you a challenge: try to form a learning party on PF.
No, really, go there, open up a recruitment, say on the comment you're a learning party and turn on the newcomers welcome" flag, for anything that's not T9 or T13.
Tell me when you're back after giving up on the vain hope of filling the party.

People who sneak in farm parties do that for a reason: they're the only shot they have at even HOPING to someday clear that content. Hell, it's the only shot they have of even SEEING the content. EVERY party in PF is one of:

• Crafter advertisement
• Run seller advertisement
• FATE party for Atmas or w/e
• Primal farming for light
• Farming parties in general

I'll even throw in another chance of proving me wrong: go into your server's PF and tell me how many learning parties are there. Then come back in a couple of hours, then for a couple of days. Tell me how many learning parties you saw ever being made there.

[Ashkendor]

I'll make you a challenge: try to form a learning party on PF.
No, really, go there, open up a recruitment, say on the comment you're a learning party and turn on the newcomers welcome" flag, for anything that's not T9 or T13.
Tell me when you're back after giving up on the vain hope of filling the party.

People who sneak in farm parties do that for a reason: they're the only shot they have at even HOPING to someday clear that content.

I've run and joined plenty of learning parties. They fill up really quickly. Maybe it's a server thing? *shrug*

The thing is, sneaking into farm parties to get a clear is kind of counter-productive. It makes veteran players less willing to accept people that have the soldiery bonus because they've been burned by it in the past. :|

[RiceisNice]

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This is definitely a server thing. I see learning parties every now and then. It's not abundant, but it's there and it does get filled up. Whether or not they stick around after the first wipe is a different issue.

I've had better luck with people who are straight up honest with me when they say "I dont have a clear, but I know the fight", compared to someone who sneaks in and drops the ball when we move in with that 100 soldiery message (and mind you my PF descriptions do come with a no 100 soldiery tag).

I've given them benefit of the doubt if it's gone that far, but every time they die to the first mechanic no questions asked. I wouldn't even call that a "bad day" because they'd die repeatedly after the fact anyway after reses. I'm sorry but if it gets to that point, I'm not even going bother getting them a clear if they have to be dishonest like that to sneak in, let alone play poorly in a farming party of all things (where the bar is already set that everyone knows what to do and be able to execute it).

And on the same line, I expect everyone who does join a farming party to have a basic grasp of the mechanics and their class, 100 soldiery or not. People may think I'm being harsh but honestly; if you're doing less than darklight-BiS DPS (and this is very easy to tell in titan or just glancing at their animations), you're just looking for free carries.

[Dawnshade]

I don't care much if they have their clear or not. As long as they know what they're doing. While it's pretty rare, there's some people that know the fight well, they just haven't been able to get in a party that could clear the fight. When that happens and the rest of the party is fine as well, we even get some extra soldiery for it! On the other hand there's people with several clears I can't warp my head around how they managed to get their clear to begin with because after a few pulls it's clear they're aren't completely familiar with the fight. I rep people as needed (cleared or not) and suggest them to get some more practice in before trying to farm it, as nicely as I can. I feel bad kicking people >.<

[Yumi_umi]

Funny thing about the no Sol bonus is that in my experience if you see the Sol bonus it means people want to progress so they actually win more than the ones that rage at one wipe.

This is so true.
I really like working with players that actually feel anxious about getting it done rather than players that go zzzzzzzz to mechanics cuz they beaten it 20+ times.
I.e tanks that get hit by the bow 1 shot mechanic in shiva ex. And say oops i zzzz lol wasn't paying attention my bad.
Also at least the ppl with sol bonus are actually "honest" about how comfortable they r with the fight than players who stay silent but have "cleared" already.

[Ghishlain]

When I was PuGing 1 slot in my static kill groups before FCoB unlocks, I've given at least 4-5 different players their kills. What they did? They /t'd me and asked if they could join. They told me they hadn't cleared it but got the boss down to X%. If you've gotten a boss to sub 20%, you've seen the whole fight, you just need the practice to ingrain the mechanics within you.

As such, I feel if someone has a "no sol bonus" message, just ask their leader, and see if they'll let you in because hey, you never know. Of course some people won't give you the time of day. If that's the case, those aren't people you want to associate with anyway.

Explicitly said, I NEVER join "no sol bonus" parties. I rather have a root canal treatment without anesthesic while having a viking butcher tattooing my balls with glass shards.

People in those groups are the WORST kind of players in the entire game. I hate this kind of people with a passion. Why would I want to stress myself over a bunch of obnoxious imbeciles with brains the size of a peanut who only know to do 2 things: throwing offensive slurs at people for not being hardcore-grade players, and crying for not being spoon-fed one-shot clears.

People who make "no sol bonus" parties, you disgust me.
Your toxic behavior disgust me.
Your bad attitude towards human beings who did nothing wrong except causing a wipe and making you lose your "precious" little minutes disgust me.
Your lack of any sense of community disgust me.
Your individualism disgust me.
Your selfishness disgust me.

I'm going to have to agree with Ashkendor on this one. Your self-righteous indignation to the elitist ass is no different from their self-righteous indignation for the casual scrub.

They're both wrong and it only breeds more toxicity than it helps by spouting this kind of rhetoric.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

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I see that stuff sometimes. When I set T10 and 11 farm parties, Iset iLvl at i115. If someone sends me a tell if they are lower, I will consult with group on matter, personally being cool with it if they know the fight.

Earlier today I was in a T11 farm party, and this guy said "You should really set the iLvl to 120 or people will sneak in." Then when they didn't change it, he said "Nah screw this I'm out." and left to start a T10 farm with min iLvl of 123. This is a BLM that pulls (so I've heard) 320-330 dps with an i130 weapon, and DW casting robe, etc.

Another guy, I saw had a T10 with i125. He had every slot very specific, with Monk excluded. His caption was something like "I will not budge on this for anyone, sorry"

[Ashkendor]

Another guy, I saw had a T10 with i125. He had every slot very specific, with Monk excluded. His caption was something like "I will not budge on this for anyone, sorry"

Lol. The funny thing about that is that I couldn't join their minimum i125 T10 farm party on PLD (my main, and the class I've played all through FCoB including several T13 clears) because I use crafted accessories, which drops my item level to 123. I could, however, join on my SCH (i128) or my MNK (i125), neither of which I've set foot in Final Coil on.

Item level isn't the end-all be-all of your character, and I wish more people would realize that.

Another guy, I saw had a T10 with i125. He had every slot very specific, with Monk excluded. His caption was something like "I will not budge on this for anyone, sorry"

That's... just... dumb. Why exclude monks? o.O

[Donarudo]

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We are on the same server. Right now I see a T13 learning party on our server it is 7:09pm est as well as clear parties.. Folks this guy doesn't represent Behemoth and neither do I but I can assure you our server always has learning parties. Maybe he logs on weird hours I don't know, but he is in fact dead wrong. Also I will prove you wrong Alexion. I made a learning party just a few days ago....and I join learning parties all the time on Behemoth.

Edit: On April 16th throughout the day I witnessed several T10, T13, and even T5 learning parties. So I have done as you asked I checked a few hours after, I checked a few days after, and I have also made learning parties for T5 which we cleared. So having said that your argument is baseless and false.

[Zumi]

I joined a T13 PF farm group the other day and the leader let in 2 people who have never cleared but said they knew the fight 100%. Want to know what happened? Well those 2 people who have never cleared kept dying in phase 1 after about 3 wipes the group disbanded because of those 2 people. Which is the reason why people want to wait for people who have the clear to join.