The amazing thing about "No Sol Bonus" in PF is...

[wicked-one]

On the opposite, i ended up 3 times in a Farmgrp for T10 with the same ninja pretending " 5%, but know the whole fight"... somehow, he still just kissed the floor every time the boss glanced his direction.

And well, T10 is a fight, when your mechanics are nice to you, you can luckily get down to 5% and still wipe by one missed out mechanic

And yet there are enough groups with no Soldiery bonus, which fail blatantly...

People just feel more confident with ppl who have a clear, still, you have derps on both camps...

[AlexionSkylark]

I 100% agree with the people saying that ppl haven't cleared a fight are much more driven than ppl who already did.

Also, a MARVELOUS thing that always happens in those "no sol bonus" PF are ppl disagreeing on the strategy and complaining if the group does something differently from how THEY cleared it (e.g. "WTF you're dodging Twintania's divebombs from the center? you should be doing it from the depression in the corner").

Also, farm parties are for FCs and static groups, not PF.

[Whiston]

As much as anyone would like to argue how well they know an encounter, if the soldiery bonus pertains to your experience, then you don't have a clear, and no matter how much you argue it, a lot of people don't want to deal with someone explicitly inexperienced for the entire duration of a clear.

More on topic, I never under any circumstances join a "no bonus" party. In my experience with these types of parties, the players are usually pure shit, and are not experienced enough in the fight to explain or handle the fight mechanics should something go wrong. The condition of no bonus is there because they (most often) require players with greater skill in order to help them succeed.

[AkashiXI]

My server has been on a roller coaster with this dilemma. At first it was filled with, "No first timers, you'll be kicked" with a bunch of a stand offish know it alls who'd quit after the first wipe. I actually quit the game altogether for a good two weeks because I couldn't stand the general attitude (especially on VOIP.. Some people are extremely rude). Now the ilv is generally higher, around 125, but most messages are "Serious players only. If you cause a wipe you'll be politely kicked." It seems less care about if it's your first time, but rather if you can hold your own weight. I like that a lot more, considering I'm a firm believer that the status you hold isn't about how many titles you own, but how well you did on your last fight.

[Kallera]

Ugh, people and their wipes. Why can't ffxiv death be like actual death?
Why you such an underachiever, KO? Be like your older brother, or the next generation of gamers are going to want to be paid for losing their HP!
Then how will we sell our clears?

/uttersarcasm

Communication goes a long way, in my experience, a person that can calmly explain the cause of the wipe is invaluable in keeping tempers down in parties.

[Songi]

Ugh, people and their wipes. Why can't ffxiv death be like actual death?
Why you such an underachiever, KO? Be like your older brother, or the next generation of gamers are going to want to be paid for losing their HP!
Then how will we sell our clears?

/uttersarcasm

Communication goes a long way, in my experience, a person that can calmly explain the cause of the wipe is invaluable in keeping tempers down in parties.

I'd prefer to just outright kick them if they cannot explain to me where they made the mistake and how they can fix it. I don't have time to teach in a farm party. Maybe next time they will think twice about joining a farm party and assume someone is going to put up with their bulljunk.

[Kallera]

Outside of farm parties, would you still consider this a good attitude to have? Cause the game community truly does have all kinds.

[AlexionSkylark]

Explicitly said, I NEVER join "no sol bonus" parties. I rather have a root canal treatment without anesthesic while having a viking butcher tattooing my balls with glass shards.

People in those groups are the WORST kind of players in the entire game. I hate this kind of people with a passion. Why would I want to stress myself over a bunch of obnoxious imbeciles with brains the size of a peanut who only know to do 2 things: throwing offensive slurs at people for not being hardcore-grade players, and crying for not being spoon-fed one-shot clears.

People who make "no sol bonus" parties, you disgust me.
Your toxic behavior disgust me.
Your bad attitude towards human beings who did nothing wrong except causing a wipe and making you lose your "precious" little minutes disgust me.
Your lack of any sense of community disgust me.
Your individualism disgust me.
Your selfishness disgust me.

[Garotte14]

Personally I don't care if a person has sol bonus. If they pm'd the raid leader and let them know they know the fight just haven't cleared, I got no issue. The thing that's been getting to me more and more lately is the damn ilvl requirement. I'm trying to gear my alt (ilvl 115 Blm) and putting a i120 requirement in T10 and 11 is ridiculous. My main is i130 with 10-13 on farm for quite a long time. And when I pm the raid leader informing him/her on my situation, I get ignored or denied. ilvl doesn't equate to skill, and I guarantee, my 115 BLM can out dps and handle mechanics better than half the i120+ on the server. Just a gripe.

[Ashkendor]

Also, farm parties are for FCs and static groups, not PF.

My static often goes to PF to rep one or two people that can't be on.

PF is for whatever you specify it to be for your party.

Explicitly said, I NEVER join "no sol bonus" parties. I rather have a root canal treatment without anesthesic while having a viking butcher tattooing my balls with glass shards.

People in those groups are the WORST kind of players in the entire game. I hate this kind of people with a passion. Why would I want to stress myself over a bunch of obnoxious imbeciles with brains the size of a peanut who only know to do 2 things: throwing offensive slurs at people for not being hardcore-grade players, and crying for not being spoon-fed one-shot clears.

People who make "no sol bonus" parties, you disgust me.
Your toxic behavior disgust me.
Your bad attitude towards human beings who did nothing wrong except causing a wipe and making you lose your "precious" little minutes disgust me.
Your lack of any sense of community disgust me.
Your individualism disgust me.
Your selfishness disgust me.

You rail at toxicity and yet you word a post like this. o.O

So what you're saying is if a party of 7/8 static is looking for one person to farm with, we should take someone that has no idea of the fight mechanics and spend three hours teaching them? That seems counterproductive to what we're trying to achieve - farming. Why does that make us bad players? I'll agree that verbally abusing people for causing wipes is wrong. One should be considerate even when removing problem players from the party. There's no sense in being cruel. Being abusive and being "hardcore" aren't synonymous, though. I've met just as many abusive newbies as I have abusive endgame players. Everybody should play nice, but unfortunately not everybody does.

One-shot clears aren't spoon fed to anyone. They're achieved by knowing the mechanics of a fight. Do I expect every clear to be a one-shot? No. We're human. Everyone messes up sometimes. Do I expect at least a reasonable shot at multiple clears? Absolutely. Does that exist with someone that only knows the first two phases of the fight? Not reasonably. If I'm looking to farm and someone claims that they know the fight but then they wipe us repeatedly, what am I supposed to think? Maybe they're just having a bad day. Maybe they really don't know the fight. The end result is the same - 7 other people aren't getting done what we set out to get done.

I really don't know where this sense of entitlement comes from. People that have no experience in the fight feel entitled to clears that they haven't earned. The thing is, anyone can earn those clears as long as they're willing to put in some effort. Watch some video guides. Go out and join some learning parties. Hell, make your own learning parties. Get yourself to the point where you really do know the fight, and plenty of people will be more than willing to help you get the clear. Like I said in a previous post, I'm more than willing to give people a shot even if they have a soldiery bonus message. If it becomes obvious that they really don't know the fight though, they'll be out of the party very quickly.