Specialist System in 3.0

[Sibyll]

Yes... but no. You really don't have much of a choice with cross class skill, you pretty much need all of em. More like how the desynth system started and everyone went GSM because it was the obvious choice but they did level things off a bit once they realized how one sided it was.

That was the point I was trying to make. Classes are homogenized. If you can do an 80 Durability 4* recipe on a GSM then you can do it on the other 7. I'd like to see more diversity. Similar to how Good Monk /= Good Dragoon or Good White Mage /= Good Scholar I'd like to see Good DoH /= Good all other DoHs.

Desynth was horribly lop sided in favor of GSM and to an extent still is. Between Crafted accessories and Desynth I get the impression the devs have a real boner for GSM. And I'm not saying make as bad as GSM the rest, I'm saying make the rest on par with GSM. I'd like to see BSM make weapons that could be relevant as a raid weapon. I'd like to see crafted armor be useful beyond the first few weeks before people get their tome gear.

[RiceisNice]

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Really though, it'd still be tough to change how crafting works for each individual class given that they all run on most of the same baseline abilities, and trying to make crafts that cater to those classes leave much to be desired (such as LTW's waste nots or ALC's TotT). In the end it's just falling onto the same priority/flowchart.

Having recipes exclusive to the specializations is personally enough for me, given that each one has something to bring.

[Sibyll]

Really though, it'd still be tough to change how crafting works for each individual class given that they all run on most of the same baseline abilities, and trying to make crafts that cater to those classes leave much to be desired (such as LTW's waste nots or ALC's TotT). In the end it's just falling onto the same priority/flowchart.

Having recipes exclusive to the specializations is personally enough for me, given that each one has something to bring.

True, at the least I'd like to see Crafts/Control treated as something more than accuracy caps for crafters. Gets a little old when itemization is hitting those two numbers and then eating CP food.

As for the recipes, I really don't mind exclusive recipes so long as we don't get Alchemists with 5* Elemental Ward potions.

[RiceisNice]

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Control does help by-the-point to an extent; Its just that in our current crafting environment it doesn't matter much (due to our quality successes hinging on RNG anyway) as well as CP. Craftsmanship is static though with how it's tied to progression, I can't really come up with much.

They could make some craftable equipment that is untradable, but is raid quality/unmeldible. That's where the 3 specializations come into play for what class you want to gear (such as LTW and CRP for my bard). Weapons would always be tied to ones like ALC, CRP and BSM, and all classes have gear from different crafts/repair classes. Again what to watch out for is GSM and the accessories...

[Sibyll]

Again what to watch out for is GSM and the accessories...

It bewilders me that someone looked at BSM i110 weapons and GSM i110 accessories and thought that looked balanced.

Just pitching an idea here, but would it be too broken to have Control affect the chance of proccing Good/Excellent and Craftsmanship might raise success rates. The catch would be the stat is normalized to the recipe level requirement, so if you are doing a 4* then you only get bonuses for Craftsmanship/Control beyond the 451/407 required to attempt the recipe. This would give incentive to use food besides CP by giving the other stats some tangible value.

[RiceisNice]

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In the end, CP would still be far more valuable than the two. The reason CP is so good is that it gives oyu more leeway during a star craft, meaning less risk of RNG screwing you upside the butt. It's consistent and tangible compared to what you're suggesting right now for crafts/control and I'd still use a CP food just for the extra durability restores than praying for good/excellent happening (espesically when we look at current crafts, I can't get enough quality increases assuming I have all my touches succeeded; I still need at least a second MMII)

Right now, control does have a tangible value since it scales pretty quickly with IQ stacks, but in the current situation with how dependent we are on getting X amount of successes with 80% success rates, CP is just that much more valuable. Craftsmanship is just an "accuracy" cap so welp, I personally don't have a problem with that so much as I do with the current crafting situation.

[Sibyll]

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I mean it's a hard truth to point out but the overall design of crafting leaves very few options. When IQ Stacks + Byregot's is the only feasible way to complete any craft that you aren't grossly outgearing/outleveling then it leaves very little room for strategy and creativity.

Imagine if every iteration of Coil had the same exact mechanics as the previous iterations, the only difference being it got progressively less forgiving when you mess up. That's what crafting has felt like from 2* progressing to 4*.

If we got end game recipes that functioned like Ixali, I'd be excited just to be able to do a recipe that didn't involve farming IQ stacks.