Please start the new jobs at level 1

[Themis]

It's not the leveling experience, it's the skill experience from said leveling that we need.

So, in order to read and understand how skills work, you have to get them 1 at a time or it's just too much?

To use the new jobs, a player will have to have completed up to the 2.55 story which requires a level 50 class/job at least. By this point, if you can't understand how to read tooltips on skills and work out (or even ask) how they could work together and then play test them in an early dungeon, leve or FATE, I'm not sure what to say.

When I first started ARR I had 4 jobs at level 50. And for a good part, each Job plays a little different to how it did in 1.0, not to mention the battle system is a good bit different. It took a little time to figure things out and get familiar with them, but it was by no means difficult to do. It just required a bit of practice and thought.

This is a good middle ground for those who really couldn't care for traditional JRPG levelling at all (it is a fairly dated thing these days) and would like to start from max level and those who do like the level/progress feeling, without the other feeling as though they haven't been catered to at all.

Otherwise you might as well give a newbie for BLM, DRG, whatever, said level 30 job off the bat and tell him to do whatever, same thing, right?

No, it's not.

On their way from level 1 to 50 on their first class, they will learn how the game works and experienced the story and content pre-50 (and likely a good deal post-50 things).

When they then start on one of the 3 new Jobs, they have already done that content 1-30 on their other class choice. So none of that content will be new for them. They should already have grasped the basics of the game by now.

The only real difference is that a person who has never levelled a class of another role type will be able jump straight to level 30 in the role and may find themselves a little lost. That's fair enough. But they can just queue for Sastasha or Tam-Tara if they want to get some early dungeon practice. They shouldn't need to level from 1-15 to get an idea of what their skills do. Reading tooltips isn't a hard task, and they should understand the concepts enough to get an idea of how the class plays up to level 15. They can then proceed to go through dungeons in order as their level allows.

[Mugiawara]

It's not the leveling experience, it's the skill experience from said leveling that we need. Otherwise you might as well give a newbie for Thaumaturge and Lancer their job job off the bat with all skills before even leveling and tell him to do whatever, same thing, right?

The players aren't complete idiots you know...
I think most...or some people understand basic reading skills.
I mean this game is as simplified to the ground as you can get.
Not that hard to figure what certain skills do.

[RyuDragnier]

The players aren't complete idiots you know...
I think most...or some people understand basic reading skills.
I mean this game is as simplified to the ground as you can get.
Not that hard to figure what certain skills do.

Guess I'm just worried this will become a cluster*?!& of failing simple content because people don't know how to use the classes.

[Mugiawara]

Guess I'm just worried this will become a cluster*?!& of failing simple content because people don't know how to use the classes.

Think of this way...If it was 50, imagine the hell on earth it'll bring. This is why I was scared of it being 50.
We don't get that much skills at 30, and Haukke is very easy-going, and we're all vets who are trying these new jobs
so I am sure we can get the hang of things in a snap. I heard AST is going to be a different healer so...depends on how the jobs roll.
I wouldn't be too worried though but I understand what you're saying.

[MageBlack]

Guess I'm just worried this will become a cluster*?!& of failing simple content because people don't know how to use the classes.

Would it still be as bad if they had a requirement for becoming the class like you need a WAR or PLD at X level to become a DRK? Then you would at least have tanking experience and all you would need to do is identify what emnity generating skills are and slap them in the same position as your old rotation. I actually would push for more requirements before starting them at 1. If it was a class, thats a different story but these are JOBS.

[lololink]

The players aren't complete idiots you know...
I think most...or some people understand basic reading skills.
I mean this game is as simplified to the ground as you can get.
Not that hard to figure what certain skills do.

I have seen some things, you lose all faith in humanity after that, these GLD, using the MP regen combo to try to take aggro, never using flash. The horror !

[AreeyaJaidee]

Sorry, I think I'm out of the loop on this, could someone confirm with SE source because I can't seem to find it:

Is it confirmed the new jobs will require leveling? Or are the new jobs simply requiring a certain combination of previous classes/jobs at lvl 30 to unlock?

Has it been 100% confirmed that the new jobs are not unlocks which require no leveling?

[MageBlack]

Sorry, I think I'm out of the loop on this, could someone confirm with SE source because I can't seem to find it:

Is it confirmed the new jobs will require leveling? Or are the new jobs simply requiring a certain combination of previous classes/jobs at lvl 30 to unlock?

Has it been 100% confirmed that the new jobs are not unlocks which require no leveling?

What has been confirmed is Ishgard is locked behind the end of 2.55 story and the Job givers will be in the heavensward areas.

[Moomba33]

Personally I'm glad that the new jobs are starting at 30 as I don't find the early levels very fun to play due to how few abilities you have.

I think most people should be able to pick up the jobs from 30 without much difficulty just from reading the ability tool tips and drawing on their experiences from running their first class through the Realm Reborn storyline.
I know when I first started leveling the tanking classes remembering what I had seen other tanks do in the low dungeons and pulls where problems often occurred was just as valuable as learning the abilities of the tank classes themselves.

Having classes start at 30 is unfortunate for those that enjoy the leveling experience itself. With how much the exp needed to level increases with each level perhaps going from 50 to 60 will be comparable with 1-30 in terms of time.

[Teryaani]

Guess I'm just worried this will become a cluster*?!& of failing simple content because people don't know how to use the classes.

Your worry is understandable and will be confirmed when the expansion drops but....the 30 levels of leveling experience wouldn't make a difference either way.

Some players leveled rogue/ninja from 1-50 and had no idea how to play. The leveling experience is not what differentiated those that played well and those that didn't, the player was what made the difference. When it drops, there will be a flood of terrible DRK tanks, AST healers and MCH dps, but that's because those are players who didn't take the time to read their class and even having the 30 levels of experience wouldn't have made them learn.

Personally? I'm happy I don't have to do the extra grind.