I'm confused about Yoshi-P's thoughts on dps-check programs.

[Fumijj_Gah]

Parser is a must in every MMORPGs end game contents. What Yoshi-P says is irrelevant, he obviously does it in order to please the large amount of plebs/suckers playing FFXIV so far.

[Delsus]

Parser is a must in every MMORPGs end game contents. What Yoshi-P says is irrelevant, he obviously does it in order to please the large amount of plebs/suckers playing FFXIV so far.

And you are the kind of person who should never be allowed a parser, I can guarantee from your comment that you would be the one calling people out in party and alliance chat for no reason but to put people down. If anything people who need a parser suck more because they seem to be incapable of working out whether they are doing a good job or not.

[AdamFyi]

If anything people who need a parser suck more because they seem to be incapable of working out whether they are doing a good job or not.

You fell for the obvious bait, mate.

Being able to see your performance is a handy tool to have. Most end game progression groups use it because it is helpful and in turn can help them to improve even further - not because they are terrible at their job.

[Fumijj_Gah]

And you are the kind of person who should never be allowed a parser, I can guarantee from your comment that you would be the one calling people out in party and alliance chat for no reason but to put people down.

It is disarming and disheartening to see how people make judgments so quickly: and you obviously do not know me. I spend 80% of my playtime by helping people and you have no right to say that. Still, I go straight to the point when needed: end game needs DPS check and a solid tank/healing job. Parser for DPS is a must in order to improve yourself, it's extremely helpful even for people who doesn't know how to play their jobs and it's the first thing that help you to improve in that way.

[SDaemon]

Parser for DPS is a must in order to improve yourself, it's extremely helpful even for people who doesn't know how to play their jobs and it's the first thing that help you to improve in that way.

Informing someone of their rotation and filling them in on boss mechanics and how it impacts their job role will do far far more for a new player than a parser ever will.

[AdamFyi]

Informing someone of their rotation and filling them in on boss mechanics and how if impacts their job role will do far far more for a new player than a parser ever will.

Sadly, information just doesn't cut it sometimes. Practice makes perfect.. except when there isn't a way to reliably gauge how well you're actually doing. Information on the class and boss mechanics can only take you so far. I've played MNK for a good while - being completely oblivious of my performance. I did the research, and I studied the rotations and priorities. Turns out I was pulling less than I should have (apologies for all those parties I've managed to flub up) after a good mate of mine nudged me about it. According to him, I'm now pulling about 410~425 on a training dummy, which is pretty decent.

There is always room for improvement, and a parser is one of many ways to determine it.

[Fumijj_Gah]

Informing someone of their rotation and filling them in on boss mechanics and how if impacts their job role will do far far more for a new player than a parser ever will.

Absolutely no. :P
Informing someone of their rotation is already wrong: a good attitude for an end game player is to be curious about end game contents mechanics and his/her job rotation and not waiting random players tips about your own job. This attitude is extremely annoying, trust me. You will eventually receive tips from people but your first job is to run a solid rotation (as DPS or tank) and to practise a lot. The fact you're going to wait people telling you about your rotation is insulting and disrespectful. Parser is a must in any case.

Pro-tips: you wont start any end game content if you don't even know your own rotation.

[SDaemon]

Absolutely no. :P
Informing someone of their rotation is already wrong: a good attitude for an end game player is to be curious about end game contents mechanics and his/her job rotation and not waiting random players tips about your own job. This attitude is extremely annoying, trust me. You will eventually receive tips from people but your first job is to run a solid rotation (as DPS or tank) and to practise a lot. The fact you're going to wait people telling you about your rotation is insulting and disrespectful. Parser is a must in any case.

Pro-tips: you wont start any end game content if you don't even know your own rotation.

Pro-tip: Thinking informing someone of their proper rotation and boss mechanics will do less for them than a silly parser is wrong.

[Elusana_Celah]

Absolutely no. :P
Informing someone of their rotation is already wrong: a good attitude for an end game player is to be curious about end game contents mechanics and his/her job rotation and not waiting random players tips about your own job. This attitude is extremely annoying, trust me. You will eventually receive tips from people but your first job is to run a solid rotation (as DPS or tank) and to practise a lot. The fact you're going to wait people telling you about your rotation is insulting and disrespectful. Parser is a must in any case.

Pro-tips: you wont start any end game content if you don't even know your own rotation.

It depends greatly on how you word it to them. If they are in coils or any raid content where DPS actually matters, they should be open to suggestions but you have to approach it carefully. If you even appear slightly as angry or 'know it all' they will reject your advice.

[Fumijj_Gah]

It depends greatly on how you word it to them. If they are in coils or any raid content where DPS actually matters, they should be open to suggestions but you have to approach it carefully. If you even appear slightly as angry or 'know it all' they will reject your advice.

I don't get it, what do you mean if you even appear 'slightly as angry'? We do not need to share/say anything about DPS results, everyone should have their own parser open and to judge by theirself. I guess few of you completely missed what I'm trying to say. We really do not need to share any results if not for personal records (this when everyone in the group master fight mechanics), provided that every raider's DPS knows his/her rotation.

Parser's main goal is to improve DPS when it comes to progress and you need to optmize movements and dealing with new mechanics, unless you need to learn your job and then you're going to run it by youself with some cheap content primals-like.
Sadly, over 70% of FFXIV's players know nothing about their jobs and I blame Square-Enix to not include an official parser software in-game, not everyone play on PC and are confident with tools after all.