New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I'm not entirely sure what was confusing about it? I'll use 2 scenarios.

Scenario A: New player buys game and wants to play the game as one of the new jobs. Levels to 30 unlocks the job and finishes the game as the new job.

Scenario B: New player buys game and wants to play the game as one of the new jobs. Leves to 50, does most of the story already, unlocks job and gets knocked back down to level 30. Has to level back up to 50 to finish the story.

Which one of those scenarios do you think a new player will like more. If you pick B, id bet money your wrong.

[Donarudo]

More stuff about stuff that you and I have discussed...man thats a lot of stuff.

While I understand what your saying, and I really do, I just don't agree that this game is not newby friendly. They have the hest quest and such that teach you how the dungeon system works. They help tutorial tool is probably one of the better ones I have seen. Suddenly I am having flash backs of Eve Online where they throw you into a ship send you to some asteroid field and say mine this...you will get rich. Eve online comes with a calculator installed in the ui for the record, but I digress. There is more that both of us could certainly discuss and at this point i would rather just agree to disagree with your original post. I respect it, but disagree with it. For the record I started playing this game again roughly three months ago. I started a new char (this one I am speaking from now) Granted I am not a new player, but I was level 50 before then end of the weekend wearing ilvl 100 gear. That included all main story scenarios at the time. Granted it was a Paladin, but needless to say lets not under estimate our new friends that will join us after HW launches. Last I just want to reiterate that I do indeed value your opinion.

[MageBlack]

I think the biggest problem here is some people are looking at this game as a MMO but forget the other half of the genre; RPG. I;m happy to see such consistency in the lore, even to a fault, as in the PvP situation. Tell me, lore wise, how will you explain the job stone, quests, arrival of new jobs, etc all in existing content to all of a sudden be available. Also, how many people who buy the whole game, starting with the expansion, will not look up how to be the desired job? i think there are bigger fish to fry than the new jobs being gated. people are acting like it will be impossible for new players to get these jobs, meanwhile it just might be impossible for new players to color a chocobo, garden, buy a personal house, start their own FC, do group crafting, craft an airship, participate in FC airship content, etc. Really, what is the bigger issue?

[Nestama]

The issue is that they're paying for content they (assumingly) won't be able to access until they hit level 50 and i90, rather than when they hit level 30.

[Tyrial]

The issue is that they're paying for content they (assumingly) won't be able to access until they hit level 50 and i90, rather than when they hit level 30.

You keep throwing this "i90" around like it's as monumental as it used to be back at 2.0 and the game doesn't basically vomit gear that ilvl or higher at level 50 from the STORY dungeons...it's everywhere...

[Kuurei]

TBH feels like half the people who are "Angry" about this are just trying to kick up a fuss. Like the complaints in EQ2 that "You needed the current expac to play Beastlords!" lol.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They have the hest quest and such that teach you how the dungeon system works.

Which to this day, has not taught me a single thing about any of the dungeons, especially the harder ones. The hests strategies are completely different and usually teach you NOTHING. Great idea in practice, not in reality.

They help tutorial tool is probably one of the better ones I have seen.

What help tutorial? I've only been playing a month and i've yet to find it.

Granted, I respect your opinion however I must say that you should explain why your opinion works rather then just giving examples and saying your opinion. I actually explained why its a good thing to support my case - you have not. If you do indeed respect me, say the reasons. Not excuses.

[Donarudo]

Which to this day, has not taught me a single thing about any of the dungeons, especially the harder ones. The hests strategies are completely different and usually teach you NOTHING. Great idea in practice, not in reality.
What help tutorial? I've only been playing a month and i've yet to find it.

Granted, I respect your opinion however I must say that you should explain why your opinion works rather then just giving examples and saying your opinion. I actually explained why its a good thing to support my case - you have not. If you do indeed respect me, say the reasons. Not excuses.

SYSTEM>ACTIVE HELP - Has everything you need to know about the game with descriptions. it covers everything from basic movements to communication with others and much more. Also I mentioned guildhest which shows new folks how to work with others in the dungeon system as well as what to expect.

Edit: I gave my opinion not excuses. Just like you gave your opinion. I merely stated I disagree with you and out of respect choose to to confirm I respect your differences.

[MageBlack]

The issue is that they're paying for content they (assumingly) won't be able to access until they hit level 50 and i90, rather than when they hit level 30.

You know what they say about assume, it makes an ass out of u and me. Again, is this impossible to get? compare that to housing, will that content be impossible to get if no new wards are put in?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

SYSTEM>ACTIVE HELP - Has everything you need to know about the game with descritptions.

That is a little extravagant, "everything?" you need to know about the game - that is impossible. That is also not a tutorial, that is pretty much the same descriptions as older games did, very vague on the reality.

It honestly taught me little to nothing about the true game. Lets say "Housing" for example, in most games you can group up with someone and invite them to your Inn room, in this game you cannot. It doesn't say you can't either.

All of this provides a "very basic description" of the real game. You would be an absolute fool to say otherwise.

It provides a very basic description. That is all.