New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[MirielleLavandre]

They've said all the job quests for the new jobs will be in Ishgard.

To enter Ishgard requires completion of the 2.55 story.

One way around this would be if they make a total change to how we get jobs, and not have acquisition of the new jobs count as 'job quests' -- making job quests only needed to get certain skills. Maybe they could make job acquisition quests be outside Ishgard or something - but I highly doubt they'll lock the 3 new jobs behind anything other than being lvl 30 // just like they didn't lock NIN out for those who didn't do the main story with Yugiri and all, either.

[MageBlack]

They've said all the job quests for the new jobs will be in Ishgard.

To enter Ishgard requires completion of the 2.55 story.

Then good. That's the way it should be. It's the way it worked in FFXI and that is the only other game that has the multi class single chr system. You wanted the Aht Urgan jobs, they were in the Aht Urgan areas and you needed to unlock them to make it there. As i said before, what is so wrong about giving new players something to work towards? common sense would say, these are features coming in an expansion, i should at least look at how to get them before assuming it will be the same as the arr content. Realistically, you should also be demanding the ROG be a starting job not something unlocked at 15. which, you probably are. start there first and win that battle. Regardless, this ship has sailed and its how its going to work, no need to complain over spilt milk. Personally i'm more concerned about the housing situation regarding new players. as it stands they will be locked out of a whole slew of existing content let alone all the new content coming in 3.0

[Lexia]

1: You have to be iLevel 90 to finish the storyline. This requires new players to grind for tomes or gear from dungeons.

2. Inaccessible new zones and new Jobs is not a selling point. That is telling a potential new customer not to bother purchasing the expansion until they finish they 2.55 storyline... which they might not even care about because the Job they want to play will not be available for them until they are item level 90.

3. A continuation of 2. The new customer might not even know of the 2.55 completion requirement, so they'll have wasted their money on something they can't even play.

Maybe they should be a informed consumer and know what they are buying.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

Yea i do hope they consider not putting pre-level 50 job quests in Ishgard. Do they think that reviewers will not pick up on this? Level to 50 finish entire 2.0 story, just to be knocked down to level 30 and start again if you want to play the new job? I'd really like this game to score high when people review it, as Final Fantasy has already lost so much credibility lately.

The 30 day trial that people will get when they buy the Heavensward combo pack is going to be what convinces people whether or not they want to subscribe to the game. Most players won't reach Ishgard in 30 days. So the 3 jobs with the coolest weapons wont be available to people during that 30 day trial if u have to unlock them in Ishgard.

[Donarudo]

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While I understand your opinion and respect it of course, I disagree with everything you have posted. I don't understand why you think its an odd decision. You have been through the content a new person has not. While they do have to play catch up this is nothing new to the MMO scene. Even with it being gated it will be a breeze for new people. You may ask why? Chances are they were invited by a friend. Think about that for a minute. What do we "all" do when we have friends join us on a game. We power level them or assist them with twink gear, and run them through stuff at a neck breaking pace. For then it turns into a blur, and the next thing you know they are stepping into Ishgard. My point is the new jobs being gated is a non-issue from SE's stand point. Maybe not yours, but then again its not your business model its theirs.

[Magis]

Here's the thing. It's not JUST FFXI's expansions that didn't make you do this to play new jobs... no MMO does that.

Read previous posts, WoW did this... you had to hit 55 to get Death Knight. And complete a quest IIRC.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

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Yes, and if I didn't have a job I would be completely miserable. This game is one of the most un-newby friendly games I have ever played and I have experiences with many MMOs, although FFXIV is different - its still a gaming company that wants to make money. I doubt the average player would be willing to suffer through what I did just to play with they're friends. I played every day for 14 hours grinding and doing the base story-line quest. Its NOT fast. I almost have half the hours played of my friend I met who has been playing since a year ago.

If It wasn't for my Tenacity, I would of never beat 2.0 as fast as I did. Heck - I'm not even caught up on my main story yet.

Honestly, make a new character and get him to 50 and caught up and tell me how "fast, and easy" it is, even with help.

[Nestama]

Maybe they should be a informed consumer and know what they are buying.

And where exactly will a new customer look. As far as I know, only the Live Letters on this forum inform you that 2.55 is a requirement. If the new Jobs are indeed going to be locked behind a level 50 i90 wall, then SE are required to put "Heavensward content is inaccessible until you finish Before the Fall Part 2. This requires you to be level 50 and item level 90." on all physical box copies and on their website. They'll even have to advertise that requirement as well.

[Callinon]

Then good. That's the way it should be. It's the way it worked in FFXI and that is the only other game that has the multi class single chr system.

No, it's not.

To become a blue mage, for instance, I had to travel to Aht Urghan. This is true. But getting access to Aht Urghan did NOT require me to complete Chains of Promathia. It required me to do one (entirely trivial) quest to gain access.
To become a ninja required access to Sea Serpent Grotto, and so access to Khazam. Getting this access did NOT require me to complete the vanilla FFXI main story. I had to get some chest keys. That's all.

Even FFXI, Lord of the Grind, didn't gate off its new jobs this way.

As for other multiclass games, I'd point to Rift. Rift doesn't require completing entire expansions worth of content before giving you access to the next expansion's souls (that game's version of a class).

Gating off the story is perfectly reasonable. That makes all the sense in the entire world. Gating off the jobs is a colossal mistake.

[Donarudo]

Stuff about stuff I am confused.

I am sorry but this does not make any sense at all "to me". I have a level 50 character and I have 2.55 done, which means when I unlock the new jobs they will be level 30. The only thing missing is leveling the class to 30. I consider that a bonus. So a new character will level to 50, and get MSQ done and then say awesome I can start another CLASS/JOB or I can just go start this new JOB that is already level 30. Again I consider that a bonus not a downside. So in my "opinion" that would be a better review then having to start at lvl 1 with the new jobs. Again I want to reiterate that this is an opinion only and in no way shape or form even remotely resembles any thing else other then an opinion. I just want to be clear that this is an opinion. For the record your post really did confuse me.