Add a Parser that only the player can see.

[Kittyband]

Parsers are one of the worst things to happen to MMOs, it's pointless because some classes will always do better in turret style fights, long fights, short fights or mobile fights. So it really doesn't help anyone. The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.

[siverstorm]

This was discussed a bit on a reddit post way back and I think the popular consensus was:

1) Have the option to turn it on and off in settings
2) Have settings where it be private (practising/learning new class etc) or could be public (raid settings where this actually matters)
3) Have an additional setting that hides public parses from other players (for those that don't care/don't want to see/want to avoid being trolled/etc)

People asking for x or y dps in PFs is about as valid as people asking for specific experience to a phase in PFs. It'll be very apparent once in the instance if the player in question lied/doctored a screenshot/etc.

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Most players who actually know the value of a parser will know how dps varies from fight to fight. In terms of raid context the information is crucial, without them if someone isn't pulling their weight and there's no metric for comparison groups could be wiping on progression fights when the fault lies on one person (good groups will usually try to help the player improve versus just exiling him/her off the bat). Other content like dungeons or hm trials don't require parsers for the most part. In the above setting the only people you need to worry about are the trolls (who will still troll via whatever avenue you give them with or without a parser).

[Imoye]

Most players who actually know the value of a parser will know how dps varies from fight to fight.

95% of the time, parsers are taken out of context and used as grounds to flame someone. Most players don't know the value and simply sees it as a tool to condemn other players, which is why it shouldn't be put in-game.

Very easy to figure out who's not pulling their weight anyway.

[Ricdeau]

95% of the time, parsers are taken out of context and used as grounds to flame someone. Most players don't know the value and simply sees it as a tool to condemn other players, which is why it shouldn't be put in-game.

Very easy to figure out who's not pulling their weight anyway.

95% of the time...care to elaborate on how you came to that figure?

[Malevicton]

95% of the time...care to elaborate on how you came to that figure?

Because if that number isn't real then the argument wouldn't have worked, gosh. Never argued on the internet before?

[siverstorm]

95% of the time, parsers are taken out of context and used as grounds to flame someone. Most players don't know the value and simply sees it as a tool to condemn other players, which is why it shouldn't be put in-game.

Very easy to figure out who's not pulling their weight anyway.

If you're not clearing an enrage timer/dps checks with little to no dps deaths then it's valuable. I strictly spoke in a sense where the information is actually useful. And the implementation I suggested does well to alleviate the issue of "getting flamed for poor dps in random content". Just turn your public setting off if you want to see your dps and not display it to other players.

Of course people with third party parsers are going to still see your dps. If they bothered to comment on it and you're doing something trivial like a dungeon you have a couple of options. You could either improve, report, or laugh at them and shrug it off.

Honestly, I'm fairly skeptical about how a parser in game would help much aside from ps4 raiders. Most of the people that QQ about people calling out dps don't really sound like they ever want to improve anyway and a lot are unsettlingly okay with being outdps'd by a tank in their tank stance.

[Slappah]

The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.

Well you did a good job on making yourself sound arrogant and silly on this one.

I mean hell, fotm isn't even a thing on this game because they balance the classes well enough to where class balancing doesn't happen or NEED to happen every damn month like in certain un-named MMOs.

[Kittyband]

Well you did a good job on making yourself sound arrogant and silly on this one.

I mean hell, fotm isn't even a thing on this game because they balance the classes well enough to where class balancing doesn't happen or NEED to happen every damn month like in certain un-named MMOs.

My terminology was wrong but my point was that people will use parsers to simply exclude classes they don't feel do enough, there are people who dislike SMN, DRG etc saying they don't do enough damage. This would only give these types more fuel to the fire. And yes, people abusing parsers would be using the strongest classes they can simply to justify their misuse of the tool and to belittle or exclude people who play certain classes. That's what I meant.

[Craiger]

My terminology was wrong but my point was that people will use parsers to simply exclude classes they don't feel do enough, there are people who dislike SMN, DRG etc saying they don't do enough damage. This would only give these types more fuel to the fire. And yes, people abusing parsers would be using the strongest classes they can simply to justify their misuse of the tool and to belittle or exclude people who play certain classes. That's what I meant.

Majority of players doing FCoB use a parser already anyways... Won't change a thing. SMN is too weak, but DRG is balanced. Even though SMN is weak, there are plenty of SMNs that have gotten raids groups, and they are all using parsers, so it that wouldn't change.

It's important that players get at least decent DPS, because you need it in the harder raids. If you're outside of raids, who cares, but we are talking about FCoB now...

Everyone being over-geared right now, helps a lot with DPS, but you still have to do good DPS to beat the encounters.

It's not like dungeons, crystal tower etc.. you won't beat it if you don't get up to those numbers needed

[Jamein]

My terminology was wrong but my point was that people will use parsers to simply exclude classes they don't feel do enough, there are people who dislike SMN, DRG etc saying they don't do enough damage. This would only give these types more fuel to the fire. And yes, people abusing parsers would be using the strongest classes they can simply to justify their misuse of the tool and to belittle or exclude people who play certain classes. That's what I meant.

Again, so very, very wrong.

Parsers don't exclude people by class, they exclude them by the individuals skill in that class. All the melee classes are pretty much on par now DPS wise, ninja just gets taken more for TA/Goad, monk is taken more during progression due to dragon kick/mantra, dragoons are fantastic when you have it on farm as they still do amazing DPS and also boost the bards DPS so if dragon kick isn't needed a dragoon is great.

As for summoner and blackmage, before the summoner buff it was indeed a bit of an issue with DPS, but it was because the mana issues were horrific for summoner, but that's been corrected for the most part and a summoner is perfectly viable and also has the added benefit of a res.

If anyone took an average blackmage over a skilled summoner they would be absolutely retarded.

These class choices aren't due to parsing, they are because of the certain skills the classes bring to the party, as well as that players capability to maximize the DPS on that class.