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    Add a Parser that only the player can see.

    What I mean is, for the upcoming expansion SE should add a parser that only the player using it can see his or her dps, and not everyone else's. I get why they don't want to add a parser that shows everyone's dps, but adding a parser where only I can see my dps and no one else can see it would be very beneficial to the game.
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    Sariena Adeline
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    Making it personal would be pointless imo. People would still ask for your numbers and if you aren't giving them, they would smite you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline View Post
    Making it personal would be pointless imo. People would still ask for your numbers and if you aren't giving them, they would smite you.
    It'd allow folks with poor DPS to actually see they're doing poor DPS, and would (hopefully) encourage them to seek information/assistance to see how to fix it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    It'd allow folks with poor DPS to actually see they're doing poor DPS, and would (hopefully) encourage them to seek information/assistance to see how to fix it.
    Only if there's no option to turn it off (else they'll just turn it off because the hate the very idea of parsers), and only if they're somewhere informed of what baseline they should be hitting (because the numbers are meaningless in a vacuum).
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    Parsers are one of the worst things to happen to MMOs, it's pointless because some classes will always do better in turret style fights, long fights, short fights or mobile fights. So it really doesn't help anyone. The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.
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    This was discussed a bit on a reddit post way back and I think the popular consensus was:

    1) Have the option to turn it on and off in settings
    2) Have settings where it be private (practising/learning new class etc) or could be public (raid settings where this actually matters)
    3) Have an additional setting that hides public parses from other players (for those that don't care/don't want to see/want to avoid being trolled/etc)

    People asking for x or y dps in PFs is about as valid as people asking for specific experience to a phase in PFs. It'll be very apparent once in the instance if the player in question lied/doctored a screenshot/etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyband View Post
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    Most players who actually know the value of a parser will know how dps varies from fight to fight. In terms of raid context the information is crucial, without them if someone isn't pulling their weight and there's no metric for comparison groups could be wiping on progression fights when the fault lies on one person (good groups will usually try to help the player improve versus just exiling him/her off the bat). Other content like dungeons or hm trials don't require parsers for the most part. In the above setting the only people you need to worry about are the trolls (who will still troll via whatever avenue you give them with or without a parser).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyband View Post
    The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.
    Well you did a good job on making yourself sound arrogant and silly on this one.

    I mean hell, fotm isn't even a thing on this game because they balance the classes well enough to where class balancing doesn't happen or NEED to happen every damn month like in certain un-named MMOs.
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyband View Post
    Parsers are one of the worst things to happen to MMOs, it's pointless because some classes will always do better in turret style fights, long fights, short fights or mobile fights. So it really doesn't help anyone. The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.


    Yes. FFXIV is a FOTM type MMORPG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaisha View Post
    It'd allow folks with poor DPS to actually see they're doing poor DPS, and would (hopefully) encourage them to seek information/assistance to see how to fix it.
    Without seeing other people's DPS then there's no context if your numbers are good or bad though. So someone that isn't informed will continue thinking they are doing well when they are not.

    Anyway, if they add in something like this it needs to be all or nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyband View Post
    Parsers are one of the worst things to happen to MMOs, it's pointless because some classes will always do better in turret style fights, long fights, short fights or mobile fights. So it really doesn't help anyone. The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.
    Parsing is fine. No matter what you're going to have people that want to act as though they are better than others regardless of parsing. Also stating that the only people that advocate it are ones playing FotM classes is a bit silly considering they don't rebalance classes very often nor do they change the gearing often enough enough for anything to be considered "FotM". Also wide use of parsing can show not just when a class is overshadowing others, but when and potentially where other classes are suffering. The various class buffs didn't happen out of nowhere. There was large pools of data to show that these classes were falling behind. That wasn't just SE reviewing everything under a magnifying glass. Terms of Service aside they do look at what people are saying and they do see parses that players have made to display inadequacies which helps to further prompt their internal testing of various class/comp/fight mechanic combinations.

    Parsing is just a tool. What people do with it is all up to the player. For as many people that chastise others you will have ones that use it solely for their own reference or attempt to help others out. Then you also have the people that don't want to accept any advise and want to continue being ineffective at their role. Parsing is already here and there's already so many that use it for whatever purpose they see fit. SE just needs to roll with it because it's not going away.
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    Last edited by Ricdeau; 04-12-2015 at 09:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyband View Post
    Parsers are one of the worst things to happen to MMOs, it's pointless because some classes will always do better in turret style fights, long fights, short fights or mobile fights. So it really doesn't help anyone. The only people who advocate parsers are people who play FotM dps classes who are strong over all or broken in fights.
    I have never heard of a FotM dps class on this game. Please just don't even respond to this thread anymore........
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