Yeah if the tanks can stop spinning the Angra Mainyu like a merry go round

[Ultimatecalibur]

No. Nothing become immune to provoke. They just waste it and when the lose aggro, they can't get it back... Some people still spam provoke like they're playing FFXI... A lot of the tanks in the system right now have probably never had to do a fight with a tank trade, so they don't know to have level 3 of their enmity combo ready to go after provoke.

Hunt targets are immune and I still see people trying to provoke them.

[Sove92]

Hunt targets are immune and I still see people trying to provoke them.

So are FATE mobs. People provoke hunt mobs to lure another player to pull it so they won't get the blame for "early pull".

There was an image somewhere saying how the player skill has been reduced along with the loot lockout removal, but I can't find it, it was funny (modified patch notes). Guess this is just another example of that.

[Leadleaf]

It's how you're supposed to tank it, consider the Stare another tier of roulette.

[Vurtney]

You can't tell me what to do!

[Gilthas]

For CT, I've long stopped bothering with trying to be the MT.

At the start of the run, I check if the other tanks have better gear than me, if they don't, I usually pull the boss. If after that one of the other tanks decides to voke it off of me, I turn off Defiance and spend the rest of the boss fights in DPS gear. Not going to engage in agrowars.

[Gyson]

Generally, if a boss is being rotated it's because the tank is having to react to something - it can be anything from some mechanic that is adding avoidable damage, a pack of healers who have (for some strange reason) decided to take up position right behind him, or dealing with the shenanigans of some DPS who doesn't understand that their job is to deal as much damage as possible *without causing problems for the rest of the party*.

Usually this is one of several issues the tank is trying to juggle at the same time as holding threat. So, if the boss is spun to a new facing.. just react accordingly and move your tush well. After all, those WASD keys are there for a reason. And, really, what else do you have going on? Changing your music, answering a text, running to the bathroom, fixing food in the oven (all comments I've heard *during* boss fights) can wait.

[Donarudo]

For CT, I've long stopped bothering with trying to be the MT.

At the start of the run, I check if the other tanks have better gear than me, if they don't, I usually pull the boss. If after that one of the other tanks decides to voke it off of me, I turn off Defiance and spend the rest of the boss fights in DPS gear. Not going to engage in agrowars.

This is the same approach I have with this issue. Tank is my main job. Admittedly so I tank less and less in WoD due to the issues that have been mentioned in this thread. To many people not willing to step up, or tanks trying to flex their supposed epeen, or as it was stated tanks who just do not understand the ins and outs of tanking. Just my two cents on the matter.

[Ashkendor]

The number of times I've seen players constantly compete for aggro on bosses in these fights is ridiculous. If it's not trigger-happy bards and Black Mages pulling the thing, it's tanks remaining in stance and spamming provoke because they can't keep aggro for more than a few seconds before some better tank steals it away.

Pro tip, if someone else is tanking without losing aggro - leave them to tank. If aggro is a convoluted mess and you're equipped enough to deal with it, then provoke it and tank it properly. It only needs one player to take charge.

This is the whole reason I started going on Warrior when I actually do go on tank (not much now, gearing alt jobs with 120 gear). I would rather not MT if I can help it so that I can ensure adds are picked up, but that leaves a lot of time to DPS the boss. DPS'ing as a paladin means that the vast majority of the time I end up as MT whether I want to or not, even in Sword Oath. Warrior at least has the maim combo to mitigate that.

No. Nothing become immune to provoke. They just waste it and when the lose aggro, they can't get it back... Some people still spam provoke like they're playing FFXI... A lot of the tanks in the system right now have probably never had to do a fight with a tank trade, so they don't know to have level 3 of their enmity combo ready to go after provoke.

There are plenty of mobs in the game that are immune to provoke, including hunt mobs, fate mobs, and mobs that don't have proper aggro tables. With that said, a lot of tanks don't understand provoke to begin with.

Savage Blade/Skull Sunder is a faster skill to use for snap hate on swaps.

For CT, I've long stopped bothering with trying to be the MT.

At the start of the run, I check if the other tanks have better gear than me, if they don't, I usually pull the boss. If after that one of the other tanks decides to voke it off of me, I turn off Defiance and spend the rest of the boss fights in DPS gear. Not going to engage in agrowars.

I don't understand the tank e-peenery, seriously. MT is piss boring in these fights.

Maybe they're just lazy and don't want to get raged at for not doing add pickups.

[TruebladeNuke]

I've never understood the e-peen Tank wars myself. And it isn't just the Crystal Tower raids that I've experienced this in. One quick example was a trial battle against Ramuh. I was a PLD on Shield Oath upon phasing in, and the WAR next to me had Defiance off. A few seconds after everyone says hi and are waiting for the first tank to pull, I assume that since the WAR has Defiance off, he wants me to MT or something. So I step up to MT Ramuh. Not even a minute passes (about 15 seconds) into the fight when SUDDENLY, the WAR turns on Defiance and suddenly provokes Ramuh off of me, and then keeps spamming all his aggro drawing attacks with no mercy. Nevermind the fact that I already stepped up to Ramuh on Shield Oath and clearly had his aggro off of all the other party members. O/

ST and WoD are definitely the worst places I've seen when it comes to constant e-peen wars though. There were very few times in which I stepped up to be MT instead of OT, and out all but ONE time I stepped up as MT, the other Tanks suddenly started waving their ridiculously small e-peens at me and started voking the boss off of me, (can't stand the thought that a female Miqo'te is out aggroing them?) and then proceed to start voking the boss off each other, constantly spinning the boss around. This became a major issue when I stepped up to tank Behemoth in LotA, and everyone, including some DPS members, decided to wave their e-peens suddenly by throwing a Fire III on the Behemoth just before I even pull, forcing me to scramble, and then the Tanks on the other alliances started voking him off of me, constantly forcing me to chase Behemoth down with Shield Lobs and getting him back into position. Really pissed me off.

I've never volunteered to be MT in any of the Crystal Tower raids ever again, always going for the OT job instead. You know it's bad when the other Tanks can only think about voking the boss off you, ignoring the job role of OT and allowing all the adds to bother all the other party members. I've thus made it a rule to ALWAYS be on OT position when possible, because the only thing most other Tanks can seem to think about is waving their e-peens around. O/

[Ashkendor]

I've never volunteered to be MT in any of the Crystal Tower raids ever again, always going for the OT job instead. You know it's bad when the other Tanks can only think about voking the boss off you, ignoring the job role of OT and allowing all the adds to bother all the other party members. I've thus made it a rule to ALWAYS be on OT position when possible, because the only thing most other Tanks can seem to think about is waving their e-peens around. O/

Always great when you see three MT's and a bunch of adds eating the healers, yep.