Petition for a Realistic Solution to RMT's

[Ophie-Mio]

On a sidenote, and mind you I'm completely in the dark about this, but honestly: couldn't SE, as a company, go against the actual sites that are "doing business" in the game? Either to the ISP or straight to court? I mean, is there really absolutely no way to take up any sort of legal action against whoever's running such a "business"?

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level. Even if they could, how can you say that a site can't provide service for a game? That's the broad stroke of it. It's a website that provides a service. The intricacy of it is only known to players and the developers but to the courts, it's probably not important. And once the law deems to restrict services within the game, then you'd need to restrict ALL services within the game.

SE also can't really tell a business not to operate. They can only say that they don't want them to operate there and do what they can while they are within their domain. Otherwise, until the RMT enter their game, they aren't under any legal obligation to care anything at all about what SE wants.

[Darkshade]

bump/10char

[Felis]

SE have already a solution for Heavensward against RMT.
Put most things (including access to the new zones) behind 2.55 story progression.

[Krr]

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level.

Uhh this might come as a surprised to you but businesses are entities that can be, y'know, sued.

But, the likelihood of actually being able to pursue a foreign company in court that won't even talk to you and doesn't even have an address you can go to is pretty nil, plus who knows what jurisdiction they'd even be tried in. And if you somehow do all that you have to prove that RMT actually caused a measurable business loss you can sue for. Now you have to do this against every company ever and wow good luck

[Ophie-Mio]

Uhh this might come as a surprised to you but businesses are entities that can be, y'know, sued.

It may come as a surprise but anyone or anything can be sued...whether or not it can be done successfully is another matter. I didn't feel the need to bring up any sueing business because the only things that enter the domain of SE are the bots and such that make gil. Making gil isn't a crime one can sue for...and cheating (botting) while in a game? Yeah, good luck with that being brought to court and not being laughed at by an entire industry.

But yeah, the reasoning that you gave is the very reason why I didn't bother to even bring it up. Saying that they can be sued but then saying that they are almost untouchable is exactly what I said.

[Dererk]

This idea could be better restrict tells unless these conditions are met.

1 frendslist
2 you have a party finder up.
3 ls or fc.
4 in a party with you or open world alliance.

In other words unless they on some list of a group your in no tells.

[Dererk]

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level. Even if they could, how can you say that a site can't provide service for a game? That's the broad stroke of it. It's a website that provides a service. The intricacy of it is only known to players and the developers but to the courts, it's probably not important. And once the law deems to restrict services within the game, then you'd need to restrict ALL services within the game.

SE also can't really tell a business not to operate. They can only say that they don't want them to operate there and do what they can while they are within their domain. Otherwise, until the RMT enter their game, they aren't under any legal obligation to care anything at all about what SE wants.

sad thing is they aren't sueing them even though they are selling data of something they don't own its in the tos all data is SE.

I suggested this to my friends in game over a year ago on why they not doing this then some one told me this.

A guy last year in the UK I think made over $300,000 selling Gil and that nothing can be done to him because he paid in back taxes thanks alot tax code laws you ???? Again

[Merryl]

Uh.... Don't charge ridiculous prices and the rmt sellers won't have a market?

[BreathlessTao]

sad thing is they aren't sueing them even though they are selling data of something they don't own its in the tos all data is SE.

Yeah, that there. They're basically selling game data (am quite sure it can, however loosely, be translated to IP) that is not their own - making a profit from something that belongs to someone else. I'm pretty sure that is illegal in ... most countries, at worst? Sure, whether they could/would win the case is another matter, but perhaps the procedure itself, getting dragged into it, could potentially be bad enough to discourage the sellers?

Again, I've no actual knowledge of these things, just thinking. Or trying to, anyway.

[aresgodofwar30]

How about we go after the problem and not the symptoms that arise from the problem? SE needs to disable the ability to trade gil between characters. How would the RMT companies sell you gil then?
As for botting, SE needs to download the various bot programs, analyze the way they work and build detection algorithms into the game client. This IS possible. I'd be fine with an additional program running on my computer that scanned for the various bot programs continually and or randomly. Small price to pay to keep the bots out.