Petition for a Realistic Solution to RMT's

[DarkRain]

What i would do. Set /tell and /shout to lock until level 15. When dungeons open up. That will force RMTs to level a job. But here is the bigger issue i have. I think the spam is a breach in the program a back door. There is no way to spam say 700 or more players in a 5 min gap unless you backdoor the program. You can ban the account but its not even a real account its a generated program built from within and then backdoored. What SE could do is sue the websites for breaching there game and unsolicited advertising making money in SEs intellectual property . BUT SE wont . Because i believe they allow this backdoor long as they get a percentage. But you or me stream the game and ask for donations or take screens and sell posters of our Chrs or FCs is illegal......Think about it

[LandricFrey]

Made an update to my original post. Please add your signatures here, and post any suggestions or personal stories in this thread. Thanks!

[Draconas]

Just add a "Report RMT" to right-click drop down, if you have 25 or 30 reports you are unable to send tells/chat (chat meaning shouts/yells/etc.) until you contact Support. Also that if you have reports against you they clear daily or weekly if you don't accumulate enough for your tells/chat functions to be disabled. Reason to disable chat functions is RMTs will start yelling/shouting in zones to advertise. Hopefully something can be also done about them adding you to FL.
Forgot to add that all accounts who were reported will be looked at by GMs and actions will be taken.

[BreathlessTao]

This wouldn't solve /say or /shout messages, obviously (though I've not really seen such for quite a while, either), but at least it could solve /tell harrassments: implement an option to allow /tells only from people on our friend list? It's really mind-boggling why this hasn't been done yet, to begin with.

On a sidenote, and mind you I'm completely in the dark about this, but honestly: couldn't SE, as a company, go against the actual sites that are "doing business" in the game? Either to the ISP or straight to court? I mean, is there really absolutely no way to take up any sort of legal action against whoever's running such a "business"?

[Ophie-Mio]

On a sidenote, and mind you I'm completely in the dark about this, but honestly: couldn't SE, as a company, go against the actual sites that are "doing business" in the game? Either to the ISP or straight to court? I mean, is there really absolutely no way to take up any sort of legal action against whoever's running such a "business"?

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level. Even if they could, how can you say that a site can't provide service for a game? That's the broad stroke of it. It's a website that provides a service. The intricacy of it is only known to players and the developers but to the courts, it's probably not important. And once the law deems to restrict services within the game, then you'd need to restrict ALL services within the game.

SE also can't really tell a business not to operate. They can only say that they don't want them to operate there and do what they can while they are within their domain. Otherwise, until the RMT enter their game, they aren't under any legal obligation to care anything at all about what SE wants.

[Krr]

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level.

Uhh this might come as a surprised to you but businesses are entities that can be, y'know, sued.

But, the likelihood of actually being able to pursue a foreign company in court that won't even talk to you and doesn't even have an address you can go to is pretty nil, plus who knows what jurisdiction they'd even be tried in. And if you somehow do all that you have to prove that RMT actually caused a measurable business loss you can sue for. Now you have to do this against every company ever and wow good luck

[Ophie-Mio]

Uhh this might come as a surprised to you but businesses are entities that can be, y'know, sued.

It may come as a surprise but anyone or anything can be sued...whether or not it can be done successfully is another matter. I didn't feel the need to bring up any sueing business because the only things that enter the domain of SE are the bots and such that make gil. Making gil isn't a crime one can sue for...and cheating (botting) while in a game? Yeah, good luck with that being brought to court and not being laughed at by an entire industry.

But yeah, the reasoning that you gave is the very reason why I didn't bother to even bring it up. Saying that they can be sued but then saying that they are almost untouchable is exactly what I said.

[Dererk]

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level. Even if they could, how can you say that a site can't provide service for a game? That's the broad stroke of it. It's a website that provides a service. The intricacy of it is only known to players and the developers but to the courts, it's probably not important. And once the law deems to restrict services within the game, then you'd need to restrict ALL services within the game.

SE also can't really tell a business not to operate. They can only say that they don't want them to operate there and do what they can while they are within their domain. Otherwise, until the RMT enter their game, they aren't under any legal obligation to care anything at all about what SE wants.

sad thing is they aren't sueing them even though they are selling data of something they don't own its in the tos all data is SE.

I suggested this to my friends in game over a year ago on why they not doing this then some one told me this.

A guy last year in the UK I think made over $300,000 selling Gil and that nothing can be done to him because he paid in back taxes thanks alot tax code laws you ???? Again

[BreathlessTao]

sad thing is they aren't sueing them even though they are selling data of something they don't own its in the tos all data is SE.

Yeah, that there. They're basically selling game data (am quite sure it can, however loosely, be translated to IP) that is not their own - making a profit from something that belongs to someone else. I'm pretty sure that is illegal in ... most countries, at worst? Sure, whether they could/would win the case is another matter, but perhaps the procedure itself, getting dragged into it, could potentially be bad enough to discourage the sellers?

Again, I've no actual knowledge of these things, just thinking. Or trying to, anyway.

[NimlothUndomiel]

No, because the RMT sites are a business with employees that can't be touched in the courts on that level. Even if they could, how can you say that a site can't provide service for a game? That's the broad stroke of it. It's a website that provides a service.

I don't know about FF, but i have played other MMOs which companies made contracts that stated that everything, including your charachter and it's "posessions", is game content and belongs to the developer. Based on that they made illegal the selling of itens and even accounts for real money.

Also SQEX could prove that the operations of the "gil selling service" companies causes loss of profit to them. I'm no specialist but i'm quite sure that one cannot build a "parasitic business" that rely on the existence of another business while it's activities are cutting down the original company's profits. SQUEX could also say they don't authorize this business to run since it runs inside their own.