New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

The point I was getting at was FFXI didnt make you get to max level and complete all of the main city's story missions to unlock the new jobs. You only had to get to level 30.

If someone buys a combo pack, they should get to play the new jobs. Maybe not at level 1, but at a fairly early level. It shouldnt be higher than the current jobs' requirements.

[Aeyis]

Face it the reason why you make an expansion is to make money, so why in the world would have an expansion that has NOTHING to entice new players?

If they are not remotely interested in the game itself, why would they suddenly be interested in its expansion?

The point I was getting at was FFXI didnt make you get to max level and complete all of the main city's story missions to unlock the new jobs. You only had to get to level 30.

If someone buys a combo pack, they should get to play the new jobs. Maybe not at level 1, but at a fairly early level. It shouldnt be higher than the current jobs' requirements.

You argue like they arent allowed access to content or something. It's still available to them, in the same way it would be to anyone else.

Expansion packs, are exactly what they say they are. They assume you played the original game. So having a requirement of having played that game only makes sense.

[lun4tic]

This is a subscription model, selling new players on the longevity of the game is more profitable for SE then just trying to sell a shiny expansion. The biggest plus of XIV vs other MMOs IMO is the dedication to story.

The story is the worst part of this game. FFXI's job system with FFXIV's combat would win me over in a heartbeat. I wouldn't stop talking about this around friends. I'd sing this game's praises from sundown to sunset. Right now, I can only honestly state that the class/job system is an overcomplicated mess and the story is shallow and a total chore.

[Gralna]

The point I was getting at was FFXI didnt make you get to max level and complete all of the main city's story missions to unlock the new jobs. You only had to get to level 30.

If someone buys a combo pack, they should get to play the new jobs. Maybe not at level 1, but at a fairly early level. It shouldnt be higher than the current jobs' requirements.

Except that in XI, it took longer to get from 1-30 on your first job, then it does to get from 1-50 in XIV

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I'm not sure your understanding the concept of scale, in ffxi you had to play through maybe 20% of the content to unlock new jobs.

If you need to get into ishgard to unlock the new jobs in ffxiv, you will have to play through like 80% of the game to unlock them.

[Zplinter]

If they are not remotely interested in the game itself, why would they suddenly be interested in its expansion?

a. New gamers that have arrives on the scene since launch.
b. Gamers that are tired of game x.
c. Gamers that see that the game has an expansion and think well they must be doing something right, maybe I should check it out.

How in the world can you take the position that if you are not plahying a game you are not "remotely interested?" Are you really going to take apposition that SE (or any other game company) makes an expansion ONLY for the current player base? Really?

[Ayrie]

Considering the scope of content, the main story is nowhere near 80% of what there is to do in FFXIV.

[MageBlack]

In FFXI 90% of the content was optional and irrelevant to getting to end game. This is a different game than FFXI (Thank the twelve) if you are this dissatisfied about the core parts of this game, why do you still play?

[Ecks007]

I'm not sure your understanding the concept of scale, in ffxi you had to play through maybe 20% of the content to unlock new jobs.

If you need to get into ishgard to unlock the new jobs in ffxiv, you will have to play through like 80% of the game to unlock them.

You don't seem to understand the scale of time. In XI, as has been pointed out, it took a lot longer to get things accomplished. Reaching level 30 on your first job took you longer to do in XI than reaching level 50 on one Job + completing all of the story content that is currently available in XIV.

You also could not play the new Jobs in XI right from the get go, though they were available as long as you met the requirements. Correct subjobs were needed for unlock, and at a specific level (again this took a long time to level up).

The only thing that made later expansions easier to aquire the new jobs was that by that point you already had at least 1 max level job and likely a few subjobs leveled up that meant you could likely, go ahead and unlock the new jobs when the expansion came out. If you were a new player, you STILL had to spend months leveling other jobs than the one you wanted to play as before you could begin to unlock the Advanced Job.

So don't give me any of that comparison BS. Players in XIV that have been playing honestly are in the same boat as XI players that had been playing. And new players are in the same boat as well. The only difference is that XIV ties the main story completion to the requirement for the Expansion unlock. Which btw, takes a fraction of the time it took in XI to reach the new Job unlocks for a new player.

The bottom line is that it's actually easier to obtain the new jobs for new players in XIV than it was in XI. That is the fact.

[Kosmos992k]

I'm not sure your understanding the concept of scale, in ffxi you had to play through maybe 20% of the content to unlock new jobs.

If you need to get into ishgard to unlock the new jobs in ffxiv, you will have to play through like 80% of the game to unlock them.

I'm not sure it's 80%.

Things you will not need to get to Ishgard;

• more than two classes and 1 job
• any DoH
• any DoL
• any Coil clears
• any CT/ST/WoD clears
• beast tribe dailies
• delivery moogle quests
• treasure maps
• hunt marks
• Hildebrand quests
• any side quests
• Housing
• FC membership
• seasonal events
• optional mounts, minions, or vanity gear in general
• anything in Gold Saucer
• Leves of any kind
• Atma/Animus/etc...
• spirit bonding for tier IV materia

I could be wrong, but I think all you actually *need* is the MSQ, HM primals, 1 Job + associated classes (at minimum level for the job) and can get by with gear purchased using tomes.

I'd estimate that you actually need to experience less than a quarter of what the game has to offer in order to see Ishgard.