New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Zplinter]

I do not get the all the "veteran" objections to having the new classes open to new players that buy the expansion. I GET, and agree that the content (quests, story, lands, etc) should be gated past where we are now. That is pretty normal in any expansion to a game, unless the devs are making a lateral expansion and not a vertical one (think shadowlands AO (lateral to start), versus TBC/WotLK/cata/etc in WoW (vertical)).

Yoshi somewhere in the past stated that he felt that the job/class system that we saw at re-launch was not working. So to me it would make a lot more sense to just have you do the class from level 1 on up and have your cross class skills work mostly as they do now (i.e. you level up another class and some of the skills can be used by certain other classes). Having us do the combat classes the same way we do the DoL and DoH would also allow the devs to have longer more unified class story line. Another bonus would be that you could take the jobs that we have now and use them to fit into niches. Take the jobs of gladiator and maurader and turn them into plated dps/support, archers could be more dps focused and bards more support, etc.
For those that insist that the job/class stay tell me why? do you ever use your non-class "job" once you are your class? What is the benefit to having the jobs?

Face it the reason why you make an expansion is to make money, so why in the world would have an expansion that has NOTHING to entice new players?

[Aeyis]

Face it the reason why you make an expansion is to make money, so why in the world would have an expansion that has NOTHING to entice new players?

If they are not remotely interested in the game itself, why would they suddenly be interested in its expansion?

The point I was getting at was FFXI didnt make you get to max level and complete all of the main city's story missions to unlock the new jobs. You only had to get to level 30.

If someone buys a combo pack, they should get to play the new jobs. Maybe not at level 1, but at a fairly early level. It shouldnt be higher than the current jobs' requirements.

You argue like they arent allowed access to content or something. It's still available to them, in the same way it would be to anyone else.

Expansion packs, are exactly what they say they are. They assume you played the original game. So having a requirement of having played that game only makes sense.

[Zplinter]

If they are not remotely interested in the game itself, why would they suddenly be interested in its expansion?

a. New gamers that have arrives on the scene since launch.
b. Gamers that are tired of game x.
c. Gamers that see that the game has an expansion and think well they must be doing something right, maybe I should check it out.

How in the world can you take the position that if you are not plahying a game you are not "remotely interested?" Are you really going to take apposition that SE (or any other game company) makes an expansion ONLY for the current player base? Really?

[Aeyis]

a. New gamers that have arrives on the scene since launch.
b. Gamers that are tired of game x.
c. Gamers that see that the game has an expansion and think well they must be doing something right, maybe I should check it out.

How in the world can you take the position that if you are not plahying a game you are not "remotely interested?" Are you really going to take apposition that SE (or any other game company) makes an expansion ONLY for the current player base? Really?

How? Because you yourself said that there is nothing at all for new players if you take away the expansions content. That means the new players you are talking about are not interested in the current game. Why would they suddenly become really interested?


Are you trying to make a list just for the sake of it? Because your points 1 and 2 have nothing to do with players looking to get the game just for the expansion.



But you missed the point entirely, I see. Expansions are not for new players, they are for those that already played the base game.

[Zplinter]

How? Because you yourself said that there is nothing at all for new players if you take away the expansions content. That means the new players you are talking about are not interested in the current game. Why would they suddenly become really interested?


Are you trying to make a list just for the sake of it? Because your points 1 and 2 have nothing to do with players looking to get the game just for the expansion.



But you missed the point entirely, I see. Expansions are not for new players, they are for those that already played the base game.

If you believe that then you have not studied the gaming industry. Expansion have two primary goals: retain your player base and attract new players.

[Aeyis]

If you believe that then you have not studied the gaming industry. Expansion have two primary goals: retain your player base and attract new players.

Then I believe you havent actually studied what the developers of this game said on the matter.

''But muh research!''