Has it always been like this or...?

[Yukiko]

I know players who have no interest in tomes, they spam it for the card. Are they wrong for wanting to clear as many times per hour as possible?

Majority rules is the only truly fair compromise. If either side of the vote disagrees, I suggest PF as an alternative.

Nobody deserves special treatment.

For the Card you dont need to do random roullet, so get in with your friends if you dont like to wait...
Its the same as if you like to be kicked because avoiding the 30m timer, you could leave every time but you do not because you can abuse system mechanics - "the others" have to pay for your personal gain, and thats not good.

Edit: Lets say you doing normal DF setup because group is not full -> Discuss it if you like to speedrun or not and watch if there are "others"... thats why we have a chat system!
Most of the time i see players doing random roullet because they can not get the group full, but when waiting alone for DF to pop, you can gain bonus from random roullet too, makes no difference!
And thats where SE made their secund mistake, both "seekers" are the same and will be connected to "others"... if you join daily roulett or not - the system have to find "others".
I am not saying you doing anything wrong, but to be correct and playing as its ment to be, you should not go in with daily roulett when you just like to finish the content asap...

[Duuude007]

I am not saying you doing anything wrong, but to be correct and playing as its ment to be, you should not go in with daily roulett when you just like to finish the content asap...

Daily roulette is a one and done situation. Grinding a single dungeon is quite another.

Regardless, I still disagree, and for a key reason.

DF is effectively a contract you make with the game, that you get access to the instance much faster, but you have no control of who you go in with.

When you have no control, there are bound to be people with differing opinions on how to progress.

If you can accept that risk, that means you are okay with going through the instance however the majority of the party wishes, whether you are or are not IN the majority.

If you are incapable or unwilling of doing the content with said risk, then PF is an available option. One that ANY player can use.

This applies to newbies and veterans alike. Nobody has a good excuse to feign ignorance about how DF or PF function.

[Belhi]

Daily roulette is a one and done situation. Grinding a single dungeon is quite another.

Regardless, I still disagree, and for a key reason.

DF is effectively a contract you make with the game, that you get access to the instance much faster, but you have no control of who you go in with.

When you have no control, there are bound to be people with differing opinions on how to progress.

If you can accept that risk, that means you are okay with going through the instance however the majority of the party wishes, whether you are or are not IN the majority.

If you are incapable or unwilling of doing the content with said risk, then PF is an available option. One that ANY player can use.

This applies to newbies and veterans alike. Nobody has a good excuse to feign ignorance about how DF or PF function.

Nice idea in theory. However that theory won't change new players being driven away from the game by the rather awful experience of having the final step of the Main Scenario of 2.0 ruined and generally being badmouthed. I've seen this happen. That's bad for the game.

[Duuude007]

Nice idea in theory. However that theory won't change new players being driven away from the game by the rather awful experience of having the final step of the Main Scenario of 2.0 ruined and generally being badmouthed. I've seen this happen. That's bad for the game.

Just about as bad as the poor behavior of people who do not get the concept of "Do PF to get it done how you want it done", and insist upon fighting the matter from the role as minority.

Sorry, bad excuse. Not every party has the toxic behavior originating from the majority, and punishing the majority is tantamount to asking the df short queue times to go away.

[Belhi]

Just about as bad as the poor behavior of people who do not get the concept of "Do PF to get it done how you want it done", and insist upon fighting the matter from the role as minority.

Sorry, bad excuse. Not every party has the toxic behavior originating from the majority, and punishing the majority is tantamount to asking the df short queue times to go away.

I've never heard of someone quit the game because they have had a new player in the main scenario roulette watch the cutscenes. I know of two people personally how found those two instance such a poor experience that they have walked away from the game because it ruined the story and experience for them.

This is nothing to do punishing the Majority. This is about what the intended purpose of the content and roulette serves and the consequences of not being considerate to new players. Many new players don't even know how to use the PF and the quest outright states 'use the duty finder'.

[Duuude007]

This is nothing to do punishing the Majority.

The majority of people doing the content (as of right now) are repeat players, be it for tomes, drops, or whatever. Anything that diminishes the experience is in effect punishing these return players for the sake of the minority. This in turn makes repeat participation undesirable, resulting in drastically longer queues.

This is about what the intended purpose of the content and roulette serves and the consequences of not being considerate to new players.

And what of being considerate the rest-to what the majority of the party wants? If the majority said yes to waiting on cutscenes, I would certainly oblige. If you are saying that is unacceptable, you are as bad as the the people you are accusing of being inconsiderate.

Ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and [how progression will be performed]. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

Many new players don't even know how to use the PF and the quest outright states 'use the duty finder'.

Many legacy players don't even know how to use the PF and the PF outright 'uses the duty finder'. Again, terrible excuse. This is why we have chat, to ask if there is an easier way to form parties.

Hell if you don't know how to use PF by the time you want into Lvl 40 Stone Vigil, you are already behind the curve of the average player...

[Bodicca]

Nice idea in theory. However that theory won't change new players being driven away from the game by the rather awful experience of having the final step of the Main Scenario of 2.0 ruined and generally being badmouthed. I've seen this happen. That's bad for the game.

Indeed. Who at SE thought this was a good idea??? Cut scenes at the end? Sure. Cut scenes at the beginning? Maybe. But cut scenes at the end of every little encounter and during some?? Really?